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tmbg-list Digest, Volume 2, Number 8
Monday, 8 January 1996
Today's Topics:
tmbg-list Digest #1-104
Re: Dr Spock
boots
hello all!
NYC last show
mailing list
Road Movie missing lyrics
alien autopsy
Ben's Dial-A-Song to play the covers!
"Cabbagetown" Interpretation (a long 'un) (fwd)
just joined
Re: just joined
Re: Dr Spock
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From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us
Date: 7 Jan 1996 12:19:04 EDT
Subject: tmbg-list Digest #1-104
TM> Someone brought a very interesting lyrical question to mind when
TM>listening to Where Your Eyes Don't Go on Lincoln. What exactly is a
TM>"Skullhead". Maybe there's something simple I'm missing out on, but the
TM>only thing I could come up with is a skull, but why would they add the
TM>head part? Can anyone help me out on this one?
Maybe They mean a skullhead as in it has a body too. Not just a skull,
but a skullhead that also has a body so it can go where your eyes
don't. Know what I mean? I hope so, because I barely do.
Nothingman
-Or is it worse because it's always waiting where your eyes don't go?
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:48:22 -0600
From: jchaffer@tmbg.org (Jonathan Chaffer)
Subject: Re: Dr Spock
>I'm a bit confused about the recording Dr. Spock's back up band. Is this an
>authourized CD, or a bootleg, or what? Is it worth trying to get?
It's a bootleg CD. You can get mor info about it by looking at the TMBG
Discography.
http://reality.sgi.com/employees/relph/music/they.might.be.giants
Hope this answers your question. --Jon
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From: Matthew James
Subject: boots
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:59:35 -0500 (EST)
First of all, A FREAKIN BLIZZARD IS COMING DOWN ok only 30" of snow nothing big
I was wondering if anyone was able to tape either the Philly or NYC shows or if
anyone knows of any boots resulting from those shows? Boots are fun and from reading
the list in the past it seems that the Johns don't worry that much about them and
sometimes might even like them. Heck if I was in a band I wouldn't mind boots, it
gets your name out and when you're as big as the Giants people are gonna buy your
albums anyway! You'd be foolish not to 8-)
Matt<--who's about to trek into the unknown blinding snooahahaahhahaaah it'staking
my house awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
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"I'm not the only dust my mother raised."--TMBG| "Hail to the king, baby"-Ash
Anything Box|Erasure|Warsaw-Joy Division-NewOrder|Elastica|Blur|Suede|Pulp
Smiths|Revenge|The Other Two|Rush|Morrissey|Moxy Fruvous|Lightning Seeds|SPOCK
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From: promans@sloth.loyola.edu (Phil Romans)
Subject: hello all!
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:04:53 -0500 (EST)
It has been awhile since the list has brighten my day, but then again it
is easy to with all this snow falling! Is anyone else just sitting around
watching the snow fall and listening to TMBG? Or is that just me...
Concerts concerts concerts... I attended the Philly show with my good bud
Matt James of this list. That was my 5th show and I am going to add
another one to the list on the 17th in DC. Does anyone know who is
opening on the 17th? And please don't say the Marqunes (or however you
spell thier name)...
Concert notes... Love the new hat so much I picked one up myself. Tis a
cool olive-ish green with the logo on front, like the oval stickers. Matt
picked up the Happy New Year's shirt, which was highlighted by a nice big
bottle of bubbly. Did anyone out there happen to have a recorder at the
Philly show, or did the full body-cavity check get you booted out as well...
=)
Finally, can someone send me the set list from Philly? I was standing
behind a guy writting it down and forgot to ask for a copy. Was the
coolest when they played James J. Polk and I was the only one around that
knew the words.. hehe Course Sense Around threw everyone off.
WELCOME BACK GRAM! (where did Tony go? along with all the cool concert
stuff they use to do, like into to the band...)
-=phil (the snowed in)
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 96 14:48 EST
From: "Jamie jim joe joey junior shab-a-doo"
Subject: NYC last show
i don't think that would be the last show cause at the show they said they woul
d be playing every thursday in march somewhere in new york city.
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:55:16 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Mark M. Iles"
Subject: mailing list
Is anyone else having trouble with Their mailing list, or is it
just me? I wrote off to them late '94 and got the Fall '94 information
service newsletter back, then nothing since then. I wrote off again
several weeks before Christmas explaining what had happened, but still
nothing. Is it because I live in the UK? Are they just as bad if you try
to order something from Their catalogue? Am I just ill-fated?
Mark
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From: Psavage1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:07:36 -0500
Subject: Road Movie missing lyrics
Paul Leonard wrote:
>don't forget about the lines
>"you said you were the king of liars
>And I believed you and called you Sire
>But I realize now that I have been decieved"
>
>check the liner notes, they're real lyrics. But then check the song. Maybe
>they're not lyrics. Who knows?
>
>paul
>
>p.s. -- I know that line's not really a pun, but the subject matter
>intrigues me nonetheless. I wonder how those lines would sound, performed
>by J&J?
Actually they do sing the missing lines in an earlier Dial-a-Song version of
Road Movie. The lyrics were changed but the liner notes weren't. And,
amazingly enough, the missing lines sound just like the rest of the
song...what do you mean by how those lines would sound?
Pat
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 96 15:08 EST
From: "Jamie jim joe joey junior shab-a-doo"
Subject: alien autopsy
i don't think the alien autopsy live album thing was for real. i think they wer
e joking cause they didn't say anything about it the night before in philadelph
ia.
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:38:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Hauck
Subject: Ben's Dial-A-Song to play the covers!
Ben or Been here, of Ben's Dial-A-Song. . .
Yes, January has arrived and my winter quarter at Otter-Been
(Otterbein) College has begun. I feel still in a givvy mood from the
holidays, and wish to pass my givviness onto my pals, the TMBG Republic.
What I have for you is only a phone call away. It is my answering
machine, converted into a Dial-A-Song home for "quirkier" music. And yes,
TMBG is much welcomed at the site.
And for the beginning of this month, I plan on putting the original songs
of the ones TMBG covered for the listener to compare. Yes, I have the
Dukes of Stratosphear, Meat Puppets, "Why Does the Sun Shine" (circa
1959), Allman Brothers, and maybe something else--I can't remember!
Give my answering machine a call. (Free if you call from work, of course!)
I leave songs on for three or four days, depending on how many listeners I
have--which is usually none, boo hoo. When you call, if I should happen
to pick up the phone and you wanted to hear Dial-A-Song, just tell me, and
I will gladly let you call back and listen. Hey, make sure you leave me a
message after listening!
This offer won't last long. You may not hear these songs ever again,
since I can't distribute them (as some of you may know I givingly tried!).
Ben's Dial-A-Song:
(614) 823-2583
(please call at decent hours; I go to bed around midnight)
Call now!
Bye-Bye,
Ben or Been
A General Semanticist of sorts
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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 21:57:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Hauck
Subject: "Cabbagetown" Interpretation (a long 'un) (fwd)
Ben or Been, with an oldie but goody.
An old, favorite post of mine, for your perusal and debate.
Smiles in this vampirelike world,
Ben or Been
A Korzybski-ite
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:56:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Hauck
To: They Might Be Giants Persons
Subject: "Cabbagetown" Interpretation (a long 'un)
Hey there all you kids and lactose-intolerant/tolerant kittens, it's
anal-lysis man, Ben or Been, gonna give you yo' puddin' and analyze a song!
(In the background, one can faintly here the chant,
"Spinderella, cut it up one time . . .")
Today, on the agenda is the They Might Be Giants song, "Cabbagetown,"
which appears as the second song on the "I Palindrome I" maxi-single.
It's a sleepy, dopey little ditty sung with whines by Flansburgh ("The
Somewhat Happier Guy," some may argue), and I'm not sure how many of you
guys know it. The lyrics:
"Cabbagetown"
by They Might Be Egg Rolls
I was laying on the porch
As the bus drove by
Just talking to the dog
About thinking to myself
There are so many big ideas
We could talk about
But nothing that gets said
Gets us out of Cabbagetown
Oh, Cabbagetown
Oh, Cabbagetown
I will leave and I'll return
Oh, Cabbagetown
I talked to my old grand-dad
As he fell into the sea
He said, "Time and tide are one thing
That no one understands."
I talked to my Uncle Jack
As he tried to talk to me
With a bottle in one hand
And another in the other
Oh
Oh
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Now, what do you see? I'll tell you what my eyes and interpretive skills
relay . . .
Two themes pop up for me in this here song: "The Theme of Poor
Communication" and "The Fated Town, Cabbagetown."
On "The Theme of Poor Communication":
Poor communication? Well, the people are having problems in this sleepy
lil' town of the cabbage. Take stanza 1, in which the singer is "laying"
(should be "lying," for you grammaticists), talking to his dog--
Get real. Dogs don't talk; they can't communicate Human.
Communication problems, I'd say emphatically. Then take the second
stanza, in which the singer explains that there are many "big ideas" that
they discuss, but nothing gets them out of Cabbagetown--in other words,
"nothing gets 'em anywhere"!
Then look at the stanza after the first chorus:
I talked to my old grand-dad
As he fell into the sea
He said, "Time and tide are one thing
That no one understands."
Okay, the subject-predicate disagreement jumps out (to me) immediately:
"Time and tide" is a plural subject, "one thing" is a singular predicate,
joinied by the singular verb form "is."
But I say "Who Cares?"
Well, poor communication is the topic. The question in the stanza arises:
How on earth can the singer talk to his grandfather if he's falling into
the sea? (The sad state of Cabbagetown!) He can't, in realistic terms.
And nice Uncle Jack. I originally interpretted Uncle Jack as an alcoholic
("With a bottle in one hand/ And another in the other"), but I think so no
longer--"not necessarily." The singer tries to talk to his uncle when his
uncle tries to talk to him, asserting himself more with the offers of beer
in the bottle. (The other bottle, I believe, Uncle Jack offers to Flanny,
perhaps feeding the speculation that the Johns, at least one, drink. (?))
Anyway, the singer is yet again unsuccessful in his attempt to talk to his
uncle about that which is on his mind. Communication problems!
*********
On "The Fated Town, Cabbagetown":
Fate. That's the word. "...Nothing that gets said/ Gets us out of
Cabbagetown." Nothing gets them out of that Hole!
Grand-dad explains: "Time and tide are one thing/ That no one
understands." Grand-dad is diving into the sea as he says this, but he's
just as fated, folks. Know about the tide, how it comes in? Grand-dad is
making his attempt to get the h*ll outta Cabbagetown, but he's gonna roll
right back in with the tide. (Fool!)
"...the bus drove by," as the second line goes. They can't get
out--Flansburgh's lying on his porch chatting with his Chow-Chow, missing
it! Fate--He'll "leave" and he'll, of course, fatefully "return," as the
chorus goes.
And Fate is going to keep them in the town too in the Uncle Jack stanza.
Beer is a liquor of Escape from the problems of life, as some see it, but
it really gets people nowhere. "Gets 'em nowhere." The scene is: A
Cabbagetown resident, Uncle Jack, holds his nephew in the town fatefully
with liquor.
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And now, folks, it's your turn. Do you buy this analysis?
The Two-and-Twenty, perhaps thinking not the "One-and-Only,"
Ben or Been
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From: "Susan Lee Jethro"
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 01:14:02 -0500
Subject: just joined
hi
i been reading this list for a while now but i haven't written until now
i'm a HUGE tmbg fan, but i'm stuck down here in north carolina and i never get
to go to any really cool concerts
(hi kerry... i'm at state too)
i have lincoln, flood, apollo 18 and john henry
which album should i buy next?
by the way, i'd like to here some of your opinions on the statement made by
They that their lyrics don't really mean anything, that they're just
nonsense...i have my own opinions about it but i'd like to hear yours first
unrelated to anything,
(susan)
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From: joeyd@netcom.com (Mr. DJ)
Subject: Re: just joined
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:54:06 -0800 (PST)
> hi
> i been reading this list for a while now but i haven't written until now
>
> i'm a HUGE tmbg fan, but i'm stuck down here in north carolina and i never get
> to go to any really cool concerts
>
> (hi kerry... i'm at state too)
>
> i have lincoln, flood, apollo 18 and john henry
> which album should i buy next?
I would say that Miscellaneous T is the next best. Mind you that
is only my opinion, but I like it better than The Self Titled album.
(JD-DJ)
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 02:16:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Cuper Vargas
Subject: Re: Dr Spock
On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Jonathan Chaffer wrote:
> >I'm a bit confused about the recording Dr. Spock's back up band. Is this an
> >authourized CD, or a bootleg, or what? Is it worth trying to get?
>
> It's a bootleg CD. You can get mor info about it by looking at the TMBG
> Discography.
>
> http://reality.sgi.com/employees/relph/music/they.might.be.giants
>
>
> Hope this answers your question. --Jon
>
>
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> | jonathan.chaffer@cmich.edu | JC(A+R) | jchaffer@tmbg.org |
> +------------------------------+----------+--+----------------------+
> | http://www.tmbg.org/personal/jchaffer/ | |
> +-----------------------------------------+-------------------------+
>
>
>
To answer the second part of your question, yes, Dr. Spock is definitely
worth getting. Linnell used the accordian much more than he has in
recent days (to particularly effective use in "Twisting"). The other
highlight (in my mind at any rate) was Particle Man with a prominent
clarinet, played much faster than on either Flood or Live in NYC.
-Mine is a second generation copy, and it's missing two songs, so if
anyone has any idea where I could procure the actual CD, please, PLEASE,
mail me.
-P.S. Someone mentioned a show on the 18th at "Toad's". I'll assume the
18th is in January, but I'd like to know if Toad's means Toad's Place in
New Haven. (It's kind of a drive for me, but it's worth it to see John
and John.
-Slacker Ng
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tmbg-list Digest, Volume 1, Number 103
Saturday, 6 January 1996
Today's Topics:
Re: ok, i guess it's up to me..
Re: tmbg-list Digest #1-100
Returned mail: User unknown
(Fwd) Re[4]: CBS News
tmbg-list Digest #1-101
tmbg-list Digest #1-101
tmbg-list Digest #1-102
tmbg-list Digest #1-102
tmbg-list Digest #1-101
Things
My copy of flood
Re: My copy of flood
Re: My copy of flood
music over the phone
Re: My copy of flood
TMBG Music
Re: TMBG Music
Re: music over the phone
Tiny Toons and Mega Tapes
(none)
Some other cover ideas.....
Re: (Fwd) Re[4]: CBS News
LIST BACK!!!!
Graham Maby now plays with TMBG--Joe Jackson connection
Re: New trivia question/ valuable prize
YAAY! THE LIST IS BACK!
I am whole again
yet another translation
translation? did someone say translation?
CONCERT in NYC
show
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