Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest #10-14 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 10, Number 14 Thursday, 17 September 1998 Today's Topics: NONTMBG: Need help finding a band TMBG: tmbg-list FAQ TMBG: CO listies... TMBG: FS Sessions ...Thank You Re: TMBG: FS Sessions ...Thank You Re: TMBG: FS Sessions ...Thank You Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook -Reply NON-TMBG: Yearbook Quotes Re: Non-TMBG: Bad words on cable TMBG: Yearbooks Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook Re: Non-TMBG: Bad words on cable TMBG: Yearbook TMBG: Bowery Ballroom shows Re: TMBG: factory showroom sessions Re: TMBG: factory showroom sessions Re: TMBG: factory showroom sessions Re: TMBG: factory showroom sessions NON TMBG: Moxy Fruvous in Seattle TMBG: Hotel Detective on DAS TMBG: Hotel Detective on DAS TMBG: Dialasong.com Re: TMBG: FS sessions/PODAS Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook TMBG: SLC: three dans plus two johns equals a full house... (LONG) TMBG: Linnell TMBG: Horrible hands Re: TMBG: Horrible hands Re: TMBG: Horrible hands Re: TMBG: Bowery Ballroom shows Re: TMBG: Horrible hands TMBG: typical "newbie" greeting... 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Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Majordomo Message-Id: <199809160715.DAA16748@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Subject: TMBG: tmbg-list FAQ *** ADMINISTRIVIA *** This notice is posted twice a month to tmbg-list and tmbg-digest, as well as sent to all new users. Please read it if you have questions about the list. The TMBG mailing list is administered by Leo Bicknell . It provides a forum for discussing They Might Be Giants and Their music. 1) Unsubscribing from the list It is easy to unsubscribe from this mailing list. If you are subscribed to the regular, or "bounce" list, send the command unsubscribe tmbg-list e-mail@address in the body of a message to . To unsubscribe from the tmbg-digest digested version of the list, send the command unsubscribe tmbg-digest e-mail@address in the body of a message to . "e-mail@address" stands for the email address that is subscribed to the list. 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Third, if you can't get to one of those places, you can mail me and I'll send you a copy. 5) The websites The unofficial web site, http://www.tmbg.org/ has all sorts of good TMBG information including information on this mailing list (http://www.tmbg.org/mail-news/) as well as pointers to where you can read the list via news. You'll also find lyrics, chords, and interpretations for many of the songs. Also try out the Official TMBG Website at: http://www.tmbg.com/ As always, thank you for your mind. *** ADMINISTRIVIA *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:18:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Tara Weber Subject: TMBG: CO listies... Message-ID: For people on the digest, this'll probably be too late, but... WOOHOO! the denver show is tomorrow!! :) I'm about 5'6" with short brownish hair, & I'll be wearing my tmbg drunk birds t-shirt. I'll most likely be standing in line with a tall skinny girl with short brown curly hair and a guy with longish dark brown hair. Hope to meet up with a listie or two there (Jordan, Russ....anyone else?) --Tara ------------------------------ Message-ID: <35FFA5B8.C67D90DD@pacificnet.net> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:49:17 -0800 From: Bongo Subject: TMBG: FS Sessions ...Thank You It was nice to see that almost everyone was in agreement with me on the FS:Complete Sessions bootlegs. I was really surprised. Even the "I still want it anyway!" people admitted feeling guilty. I was unaware that some of those songs are now on dialasong.com. (I didn't even know it was up and running yet!) Are you sure they have the actual studio recordings of these songs or are they just sketchy dialasong versions? Well, I'll find out in a second when I go there. I never thought it was wrong to trade PODAS. The big difference is that those songs were officially on public display by the band. Linnell said that they wanted to be the first ones to present recordings of their songs. Dial-a-songs fall into that category . Since they weren't selling them I don't think they'd mind us distributing them as long we don't sell them either. What should you do if you already have the infamous FS Sessions tape? Burn it? (Or at least tape over it?) Hmmm... that's a little tough. I understand your hesitaion. I would tape over it but the rest of you should maybe ask them the next time they do an on-line chat...that is if you have the guts. (I wouldn't blame you if you didn't !) I was once downloading TMBG songs (from concert bootlegs) off a fan web page when I saw "They Got Lost" I didn't notice any indication that it was anything other than a live show boot ... until I listened to it. It was pretty clear to me it was originally recorded for FS. I listened to it a few times then dumped it along with ALL of my TMBG MP3's. Part of the reason is when TMBG come to my town is that I want it all to be fresh ...not watered down by lousy sounding boots. I don't want to know how they are going to change the songs ... I want to wait until the give me the real thing. Anyway, thanks for agreeing! -B O N G O _________________________________ "I dance like my feet are my tongue when I eat" -Geggy Tah ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:42:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: TMBG: FS Sessions ...Thank You Excerpts from internet.music.tmbg: 16-Sep-98 TMBG: FS Sessions ...Thank.. by Bongo@pacificnet.net > was up and running yet!) Are you sure they have the actual studio recordings o > f these > songs or are they just sketchy dialasong versions? Well, I'll find out in a se On the Drag and Certain People are the same versions that appeared on the FS Sessions. Rat Patrol hsa the same lyrics, but is sung a capella by Flans, rather than with instruments by Linnell. Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ lps@andrew.cmu.edu "Everything sticks until it goes away, * This space inadvertently And the truth is we don't know anything." -TMBG * left blank. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980916084821.006b0868@mail.clemson.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:48:21 -0400 From: Adam Tyner Subject: Re: TMBG: FS Sessions ...Thank You At 03:49 AM 9/16/98 -0800, Bongo wrote: >Part of the >reason is when TMBG come to my town is that I want it all to be fresh ...not watered down >by lousy sounding boots. If you hate low-quality songs, then you'll *hate* dialasong.com, which is only slightly above PODAS in terms of fidelity... -Adam, exaggerating a bit, but not *that* much... -- /=---------------- http://www.he-man.org/ctyner/ ----------------=\ http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/ctyner/ The home of He-Man, "Weird Al", Yoo-hoo, Killer Tomatoes, and more! Demented music list admin O- MiSTie #67,326 ------------------------------ From: rhilton@bitc.org.uk Message-Id: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:37:47 +0000 Subject: Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook -Reply and who exactly is Henry Lee Lucas? I think want to know in the same way that we all slow down as we pass car crashes on the road. Richard "Sex is one of my downfalls. I get sex any way I can get it. If I have to force somebody to do it, I do... I rape them; I've done that. I've killed animals to have sex with them, and I've had sex while they're alive." - Henry Lee Lucas Josh Buckland dilbert_2000@hotmail.com ICQ#: 17262308 contact me! http://profiles.yahoo.com/LeChuck/ "Sex is one of my downfalls. I get sex any way I can get it. If I have to force somebody to do it, I do... I rape them; I've done that. I've killed animals to have sex with them, and I've had sex while they're alive." - Henry Lee Lucas ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: ArwenAnaNg@aol.com Message-ID: <58a69c67.35ffbab4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:18:44 EDT Subject: NON-TMBG: Yearbook Quotes Well, I graduated a LONG time ago, but I was able to get a quote in that I think the UK listees will most appreciate: "Keep up with foreign affairs, FUCK and Englishman!" ^_~ Of course, the replaced FUCK with DATE, but you get the idea! --- Arwen, felt very clever about it at the time ------------------------------ From: tmbgirl@juno.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:47:07 -0600 Subject: Re: Non-TMBG: Bad words on cable Message-ID: <19980916.075252.11150.0.TMBgirl@juno.com> >that was my first thought in regards to josh's message, but after >reading his >horribly unfunny, sick, lame, *sick* sig quote, i assumed it to be >that he's >just ...trying to be funny again. and on top of that i thought that this was a family program... i mean come on... it's like he just needed to show that he's a big boy and knew all those words and could yell them out on the list Tourette-like :) take it easy, JOrdaN http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html http://members.tripod.com/~tmbgirl/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: SLFFV@cc.usu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Subject: TMBG: Yearbooks Message-id: <01J1VH498ICI90O6RC@cc.usu.edu> BE careful what you write! If it is offensive in any way, the yearbook publishers have the right to edit it it or not use it at all.. I know. I work at a Yearbook publishing company, and they do this.` On another note, I went to the SL show last night. The venue was tiny, but the sound was good. I got up as close as the 2nd row, but it got WAY too hot and I was being squished so hard, I nearly passed out. Some jerks in the middle like to push everyone ahead of them-they get joy and pleasure out of other people's misery. I don't understand why, b ut this happens at EVERY TMBG show I go to. TMBG came on around 9, and the pushing & shoving started about 10 minutes after Michael Shelley left the stage. They were pretty good, but I had a hard time deciphering the lyrics (simply could hardly hear them), maybe because I was being squished so much I was concentrating more on keeping myself from being killed! I couldn't recite their entire play list from memory-mine just isn't photographic. They did play Dr Worm only once, and it was supposed to be their last song, but they came out for encores 3 times. WHen they sang Particle Man, they sang Cumbaya in the middle of it. It was pretty cool. It was a fabulous show! I did yell "List" into the crowd, but the fans' were just too loud I was muffled and no one heard it (I'm guessing this is what happened) Anyway, that's about all for now Jen slffv@cc.usu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:59:22 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook Message-ID: <19980916.130120.9510.3.particle.man@juno.com> From: particle.man@juno.com (Anon Y Mous) >the TMBG senior quotes collection: you forgot a few :) "Doing the things that a particle can" "What's the blue thing...doing here?" "A cow's a friend to me" "Please pass the milk, please" sorry, couldn't help myself _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:56:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Non-TMBG: Bad words on cable Message-ID: <19980916.130119.9510.2.particle.man@juno.com> From: particle.man@juno.com (Anon Y Mous) >>Bull Crap. >>Ass. >>Whore. >>Bitch. >>Hell. > >Ummm...I'm not sure how often you watch TV, but that's pretty normal >and >has been for quite some time now... yeah I think I've heard every one of those in 1 SNL show. I think a couple of those go back to All In The Family. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: NitpickR@aol.com Message-ID: <9c2fa8d2.36001184@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:29:08 EDT Subject: TMBG: Yearbook Hello 41- It's my opinion that people take the little quote thing *way* too seriously. So many people try to be political, or deep, or whatever. I say just have fun with it. "Don't ever change... your underwear." "Rome is like Florida." "I might be giants too." "You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't wipe your friends on your saddle." "I dance like a woman, if she were a man!" "There can only be one ghost here, and isn't the ghost that isn't me." "Why must we always hurt the ones we love? Banjo! Banjooooooooo!" "Swanky fool, soon your millions will be mine." "My favourite word is 'existentialism.' I can't say it, and I'm not quite sure what it means." - Ginger Spice Really lame statements are funny too: "More than a feeling" "Carry on my wayward son" "It doesn't get any better than this." Adam ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: Robert Plass Subject: TMBG: Bowery Ballroom shows Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:21:01 -0400 Hello exquisite living people, If you didn't already know, you can now purchase tickets to the Bowery Ballroom shows via Ticketweb. Go to http://www.ticketweb.com . There is a $2.25 charge per ticket, which isn't that much. They're $20 each. It says Gravel Pit is opening on Fri and Monopuff is opening on Saturday. That will be interesting. Anyway, I'm not sure if the venue is all ages. It's most likely 18+. As always, you should call the venue before the show: (212) 533-2111. BB is at 6 Delancey St(At Bowery). "Coming to us from the folks who brought us the Mercury Lounge, the Bowery Ballroom features classic Merc trademarks like crystal-clear sound and perfect sightlines. With a capacity of 500 people though, it feels more like Irving Plaza's smaller, more refined sibling. The giant stage is perfect for roaming musicians; audiences will appreciate the art-deco style, gleaming bathrooms, golden mood lighting, functional air conditioning and mezzanine. Throw in a great bar downstairs and you've got the most exciting new music space in the city, combining the best of downtown glam and Lower East Side grunge. " (quoted from sidewalk.com) There seems to be a missing show - there is a date listed for the 15th too on tmbg.com, but no tickets are available on the ticketwebby thing. I hope many of you can make it to one or more of these concerts. They're closing the tour with these shows, so they're bound to be a special experience. Love, Rob Plass --- ----- ------------------------------ From: mr.train@juno.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:31:48 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: factory showroom sessions Message-ID: <19980916.163905.8822.1.Mr.Train@juno.com> On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 14:08:25 PDT "VoVat Quetzalcoatlus" writes: >Lawrence P Solomon wrote: > >> And to those who have heard On the Drag on DASOnline, cherish it >>(or be glad they changed it), since that's probably the last we'll ever >>hear of that version. :) > >I haven't heard it. What so special about it? It is TOTALLY ROCKIN!!!! THAT'S WHATS SO SPECIAL ABOUT IT!!!! I love this song! I was sad to hear they changed it into a folksy number... is that right? folksy? Well, I think that's what I heard... Wasn't that during the Eric Schermerhermermurmerhorn years? I don't know why this list hated Eric so... I didn't mind him... >On a possibly related note, I once heard that Elektra refused to >release "Reprehsible." Does anyone have any idea why? you might be talking about the Irving Plaza Shows when John and John said this: Linnell: Here's another song that's unreleased, unavailable, WILL NEVER BE AVAILABLE, is not going to be sold in stores [long pause] because we have principles. Some things are higher than commerce. Flans: This song is about a topic so true that Elektra Entertainment can't handle it. No multi-national corporation can handle the topic in this next song. AFTER SONG Flans: A song so true, Time-Warner could not handle it, could not touch it. Fearful, afraid, cowardice... I think they were just joking though... For what it's worth I think the studio ver. of this song SUCKS... I like it live much better... Tim, although he tries Miscellaneous Tim AKA TMB(do)G AKA Tambo (IRC) AKA Mr.Train (OML) Favorite TMBG song update: Everybody Conga Last CD purchase: Royal Crown Revue - Caught In The Act (Live) Favorite mainstream song:One Week - BNL >May you live in interesting times, >Nathan >DinnerBell@tmbg.org >http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ > IGNORE THIS!!! V _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980916165110.0069db78@mail.clemson.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:51:10 -0400 From: Adam Tyner Subject: Re: TMBG: factory showroom sessions At 04:31 PM 9/16/98 -0400, mr.train@juno.com wrote: > >It is TOTALLY ROCKIN!!!! THAT'S WHATS SO SPECIAL ABOUT IT!!!! >I love this song! I was sad to hear they changed it into a folksy >number... is that right? folksy? Yeah. :-/ I've heard the folksy version, and it...well, sucks, IMO. Maybe I'd feel different if I hadn't heard the fast, power-pop version (which I also enjoy immensely), but there's nothing that appeals at all to me about the folk version. >I don't know why this list hated Eric so... I didn't mind him... He seemed kind of superfluous to me...he didn't add all that much to the music, and he had a bit of a "Look at me! I'm a rock star!" vibe going, which got on my nerves a bit. -Adam -- /=---------------- http://www.he-man.org/ctyner/ ----------------=\ http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/ctyner/ The home of He-Man, "Weird Al", Yoo-hoo, Killer Tomatoes, and more! Demented music list admin O- MiSTie #67,326 ------------------------------ From: tmbgirl@juno.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:09:24 -0600 Subject: Re: TMBG: factory showroom sessions Message-ID: <19980916.150930.11118.2.TMBgirl@juno.com> I've heard the folksy version, and it...well, sucks, IMO. >Maybe I'd feel different if I hadn't heard the fast, power-pop version >(which I also enjoy immensely), but there's nothing that appeals at >all to >me about the folk version. yeah, the original slower version was just shabooty but i love the new version... it's one of my favorite They songs :) take it easy, JOrdaN http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html http://members.tripod.com/~tmbgirl/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980916172109.006a4358@mail.clemson.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:21:09 -0400 From: Adam Tyner Subject: Re: TMBG: factory showroom sessions At 03:09 PM 9/16/98 -0600, tmbgirl@juno.com wrote: > >yeah, the original slower version was just shabooty but i love the new >version... it's one of my favorite They songs :) I'm not quite sure if I'm reading your message right, but the fast version of On The Drag predates the slow one. -Adam -- /=---------------- http://www.he-man.org/ctyner/ ----------------=\ http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/ctyner/ The home of He-Man, "Weird Al", Yoo-hoo, Killer Tomatoes, and more! Demented music list admin O- MiSTie #67,326 ------------------------------ From: CajunGram@aol.com Message-ID: <2cd7c2e0.3600408a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:49:46 EDT Subject: NON TMBG: Moxy Fruvous in Seattle I was just wondering, are any of y'all listies going to the 9/26 Moxy Fruvous show in Seattle? They are finally coming to Seattle, it seems like every other tour they've had has gone from Vancouver BC straight to like San Francisco or something... Graham ------------------------------ Message-ID: <36000D99.79CB@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:12:26 +0000 From: "K.C." Subject: TMBG: Hotel Detective on DAS I just listened to the wacked-out version of "She was a Hotel Detective." Have any of you heard it before? Although far from the original, I like it. You all should give it a listen yourselves. -- K.C. Kless "...I am a snake head eating the head on the opposite side..." DocWorm@tmbg.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <36000DB2.6B87@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:12:51 +0000 From: "K.C." Subject: TMBG: Hotel Detective on DAS I just listened to the wacked-out version of "She was a Hotel Detective" that's now on Dialasong.com. Have any of you heard it before? Although far from the original, I like it. You all should give it a listen yourselves. -- K.C. Kless "...I am a snake head eating the head on the opposite side..." DocWorm@tmbg.org ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980916190159.00697d84@mail.clemson.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:01:59 -0400 From: Adam Tyner Subject: TMBG: Dialasong.com OK, this kind of bugs me...aren't there enough rarities, studio outtakes, and _true_ Dial-A-Songs to keep DAS.COM going for quite a while? Why use a somewhat-readily available b-side? :-( -Adam -- /=---------------- http://www.he-man.org/ctyner/ ----------------=\ http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/ctyner/ The home of He-Man, "Weird Al", Yoo-hoo, Killer Tomatoes, and more! Demented music list admin O- MiSTie #67,326 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <36001655.5D369F7B@tmbg.org> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:49:44 +0000 From: Feeny Subject: Re: TMBG: FS sessions/PODAS > demo/alternate versions of songs (IPI has to be the best but...) Hey, Is this on the net???? I'd LOVE to hear it!!!Thank You, the -Feenster ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: leonard helfgott Subject: Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook Message-ID: I think the best one so far is the I Should Be Allowed to Think quote "I should be allowed to blurt the mearest idea, if by rambling whims ond occurs to me," Cap'n Helfgott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: leonard helfgott Subject: Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook Message-ID: let me guess their aversion to the first line of Howl. the word naked was unsuitable. Cap'n helfgott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:04:53 -0600 (MDT) From: J Kuemmerle Subject: Re: TMBG: High School Yearbook Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, leonard helfgott wrote: > let me guess their aversion to the first line of Howl. the word naked was > unsuitable. > Cap'n helfgott they probably resented the implication that the school and its employees were the "madness" destroying the best minds of the generation... --jim kuemmerle, who's starving, hysterical, and naked, but who will get to that in his next post... j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:29:53 -0600 (MDT) From: J Kuemmerle Subject: TMBG: SLC: three dans plus two johns equals a full house... (LONG) Message-ID: DISCLAIMER: THIS POST GOES INTO CONSIDERABLE (alright, excessive) DETAIL ABOUT THE SALT LAKE CITY SHOW THAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT. IF (like bongo) YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING SPOILED FOR YOU, YOU MAY WANT TO SKIP THIS POST OR SOMETHING. ANOTHER DISCLAIMER: ALL QUOTES IN THE FOLLOWING CONCERT REVIEW ARE APPROXIMATE AND TO THE BEST OF MY MEMORY. YET ANOTHER DISCLAIMER: I WAS NEVER QUITE SURE ABOUT THE LAST NAMES OF BASSIST DAN AND GUITARIST DAN. ARE THEY *BOTH* NAMED DAN MILLER? YET ANOTHER SOMETHING-OR-OTHER, CONFIDENTIAL TO DAN, JIM, AND ELLEN: a lot of this is shorthand for listies -- if there's something i make reference to that you don't catch, just ask and i'll fill you in. "whoa. i have just one word for you, and it's not even a word. whoa." --john linnell ah, the concert i've been waiting eight years to see did nothing but live up to and exceed all my expectations. coming out of it, i was exhausted, sweat-drenched, deaf, dumb, and blind. i felt like every bone in my feet had been broken, like my shoes had been torn to shreds, and like it would take a week to unclench my left hand, which had been gripping a pocket-sized spiral notebook throughout the whole show. my voice had been thoroughly beaten into submission, the three tmbg shirts i bought were a crumpled, sweaty, stained mess, and if i could muster the energy, i would have killed for a drink of water. but would i trade that for anything in the world? not on your life. no listies showed up to eat mexican food with me (thassokay -- i didn't really expect it), and so i ate my food and got in line. one of the security guys hassled me about my backpack, and i ended up having to leave it in the trunk of one of the guys next to me in line. (i have no car.) i was rather annoyed by that, especially since my backpack contained my copy of apollo 18, which i'd brought in the hopes of getting it autographed. once inside, i bought three tmbg shirts (the T:TEY long-sleeved tattooey shirt, the colorful STD one, and the music self-played one.) this was a mistake, as i then had to spend the rest of the concert clutching them, and they ended up getting stained with something or other. (i haven't had the opportunity to wash them yet, so i hope it all comes out!) before michael shelley went on, i got to talk with quite a number of people: four from BYU, two from USU, and one woman who'd brought her teenage boy and his friends. (it was particularly fun talking with her, as i hadn't met many multi-generational TMBG fan families...) when they turned on the pre-show ambient music, i noticed it was alice cooper. (no more mr. nice guy, billion-dollar babies, etc.) i started wandering into the crowd around the stage to position myself, feeling for all the world like one of those girls that you've all seen screaming at early Beatles concerts. and then michael shelley started playing, and somehow managed to kill my mood. i came in with a completely open mind about him, thinking to myself "well, if They like him enough to take him on tour with 'em, there must be something to it." but, at least in this context, i couldn't tell what it was. i'm not sure how much to blame on him, and how much to blame on the sound guy, but i couldn't understand the lyrics he was singing, (or, for that matter, the between-song banter,) and the guitar solos were muddy, indistinct, loud, and in *every* *single* *song*. (one of the guys next to me said, "he needs to learn that not every song needs this part...") and the lack of definition in the vocals and guitar would have been okay by me, except that it seemed that the overall musicianship was lacking. only parts of "surfer joanie" and the last song he played (whatever that one was called) held my interest at all. i don't know what They see in him. i bet it's in the lyrics. then we all stood around and listened (some patiently, most not) to perez prado's greatest hits (lots of great mambo, merengue, conga, and cha-cha)! in any other context, i would have been digging it to no end. but by the time it got through "san remo", my enthusiasm had been reduced to a mere "enough already!" (i also noticed that the audience was no longer cheering for the roadies every time they'd show up on stage...) but then... ah, but then, the crowd began cheering explosively, and i heard the strains of the STD theme being played by the all-dan backup band while the johns came on stage. they looked in person exactly like i'd imagined, down to movements and facial expressions, everything. for those who are keeping track of this sort of thing, flans was wearing a lime green shirt with a short sleeves and a collar. linnell was wearing a plain t-shirt that was either dark blue or black; it was hard to tell. (incidentally, after seeing linnell in person, i just have to say: hank the angry drunken dwarf, my ass. *linnell* should have been #1 on that poll!) they then launched into new york city, full speed ahead, until linnell stopped them in the middle of the first verse. apparently, he hadn't been ready. it was reminiscent of 'bob dylan's 115th dream' off 'bringing it all back home'... i didn't notice what was missing until they started it again. flansburgh said: "okay, pretend like we just got on stage". and then he and linnell said a few things back and forth to each other, but the crowd was pretending like they just got on stage again, and were cheering their little puppet heads off and drowned Them out. then they relaunched, with linnell playing the chime noise on his keyboard. moshing and pass-the-dude ensued immediately. there wasn't a whole lot of between-song banter; they mostly just finished one song and went right into the next. here's what i could decipher from my mosh-addled handwriting afterward: 1. std theme 2. nyc 3. twistin' 4. the famous polka (instrumental rock -- very hard sound -- it took me a while to recognize it!) at this point, (of course, after three eminently moshable songs,) flans chides the moshers with his "pmmf! face down on the concrete" story. some of the moshers had apparently heard it before, and were reciting it in perfect unison with him. by now, the brownian motion of the mosh pit had sucked me in from the back of the crowd, and i was up around row #3-5, right in front of linnell's keyboard! anyway, to drive the no-moshing point home, they proceeded to play (slowly) mammal, with linnell's introduction: "this is a song about the class we all belong to. (to flans:) is it a class? (to the audience:) i'll have to look that up when i get home." so: 5. mammal 6. subliminal 7. older *this* was very well-done. the lighting was dark, if i remember correctly. there may have been some red lights on the band. at any rate, the spotlight was on linnell. he was doing his best to look very sober, even going so far as to do the one-eyebrow thing and point ominously at audience members. they really threw me off during the first chorus: "time! (bomp bomp...) is marching on! (bomp bomp...) and time! (bomp................) (ME: only one bomp!? cool!) is still marching on! (bomp bomp...)" after older, flans said (approximately): "people often ask us if we hire our roadies for their good looks, and ladies and gentlemen, i have to confess that that is the case. the primary consideration when hiring our roadies *is* their good looks, and i have to say that we have a fine, foxy crew of roadies here with us tonight. so this next song is dedicated to the roadies, ladies and gentlemen, and it's called S-E-X-X-Y!!!) 8. S-E-X-X-Y 9. james k. polk this used the standard cannon intro, up to and including flans' "if you die tonight at this concert, may the last thing you see... be the Confetti Cannon of They Might Be Giants..." i snagged some confetti, but i can't find it now. :( i don't know what could have happened. linnell messed up the lyrics in the last verse: "and annexed... (correcting himself:) all this, he sought no second term..." 10. battle for the planet of the apes. the johns were apes, the dans were people. when flans explained the principles behind the chanting, he said: "it's like a bill cosby album. (in a low voice, extra-distorted): people! people! people! (normal:) now you try it... no, no, no, youve got to slur it a little more, like an angry mob." incidentally, those of you who've said "people won" -- how do you determine who won? i didn't hear the johns say anything about it... 11. spy --> mr. tambourine man i had no idea how that group improvisation bit worked before last night, and now i have to say that it's a brilliant idea. during mr. tambourine man, flans was still turning the band "on" and "off" at his whim. 12. lie still, little bottle. with the stick! i *love* the stick!!! :) also, linnell was playing baritone sax. 13. to all the girls i've loved before after LSLB, flans picks up the stick (i swear, i thought he was going to throw it, caber-style, at linnell) and begins singing a duet with the stick!! then linnell joined in, singing through a vocorder. chords. it was truly beautiful. afterward, flans said: "we're doing a kind of cultural survey with this song. it does really well in the south and the midwest, not so well on the coasts. id say salt lake is about 50/50." at this point, the 50% i was in tried to convince the johns that the other 50% was full of shit and that tmbg could do no wrong in our eyes, but flans continued (to linnell): "i don't think they really liked that song. (to the audience): so here's another song. words fail! buildings tumble!" (i put that in the quote because that's about how quick the delivery was.) 14. she's actual size they kept the last part of that song very low, quiet, and jazzy. it was very sweet. 15. spiralling shape this came off extremely well. i kept wanting them to swing the eighth notes in the verses a little harder (you know, "this could lead to excellence, or serious injury), but that's just my own personal prejudices... ;) 16. i palindrome i linnell: "this is the one song that we sing that has a very mild swear word in it. i think if you're under 13, you may have to actually leave the concert." flans: "we're going to jail." (he then said something with "fuck" in it, that i didn't quite catch. the audience loved it.) 17. working undercover for the man flans: "this is a brand new song that you can't buy in any store. you can't hear it on the radio. in fact, you can't hear it anywhere else besides this rock concert context. it's about a band that we heard about who were trying to infiltrate the youth culture. it's like the mod squad, except it's rock and roll." solid. 18. whistling in the dark flans played the big bass drum on this. they barely started playing the song, when linnell noticed that the audience was singing it at the top of their collective lungs and stopped the band: "whoa. i have only one word for you and it's not even a word. whoa." after the appropriate pause, they proceeded with the song. 19. WDTSS?(TSIAMOIG) they played it hard and fast, like on STD. flans messed up the lyrics in exactly the same way. linnell did the spoken parts, and truncated some of them: f: "the sun is hot!" l: "the sun is so hot that everything on it is a gas." f: "the sun is large!" l: "if the sun were hollow, a million earths could fit inside." f: "the sun is far away!" l: "it's about 93 million miles away, and that's why it looks so small." nuclear reactions? "HYDROGEN! CARBON! NITROGEN! AND *HELIUM*!!!" 20. birdhouse 21. the guitar there was a rockin' bass solo in this one. it led directly into: 22. everybody conga flans: "everybody conga! everybody conga! i'm not fuckin' kidding! i'm not fuckin' kidding! put your hands on the hips of a stranger! make some new friends! ditch your old friends! shy people conga! distant people conga! balcony people conga! security guys conga! lose your ride home!" which led directly into, (of course): 23. no one knows my plan linnell: "why the dancing, shouting, why the shrieks of pain, the lovely music, why the smell of dan miller on the bass, ladies and gentlemen!!" there was sporadic conga-ing that continued through the song. 24. dr. worm there was a considerable spoken intro to this one, most of which i've forgotten except for the fact that linnell said "we thought we were going to be torn apart when we came on stage tonight". the crowd was, erm... *extremely* enthusiastic. this was the end of their first set. and if i had thought the music was loud, it was still nothing compared to the decibel levels of several hundred crazed fanatics screaming for an encore. it was truly deafening. they came back on stage before too long, and started tuning. they then started the intro to 'she's an angel', but much of the crowd was too busy changing either 'istanbul' or 'particle man' to notice until linnell started singing. 25. she's an angel 26. exquisite dead guy nothing that i've heard on this list could have prepared me for the eerieness of those puppet heads. that's all i have to say on this one. except that linnell kept testing the spotlight guy with his puppet head. at this point i finally met my first utah listie! (hi, katy! (sp?)) we both had our trusty handwritten setlists out and ready... according to hers (which she got from looking over the sound guy's shoulder,) they were also supposed to play ana ng, but somehow they ended up not. 27. istanbul (not constantinople) flans: "this song is dedicated to dan hickey, who doesn't know what song we're about to play except that it features mr. dan miller on guitar. they then went backstage again, and we had to yell for them to come back so they could play: 28. shoehorn with teeth flans: "born in an alley, raised in a graveyard, he's a bloodthirsty cyborg with a taste for human flesh. he's dan hickey on the drums, ladies and gentlemen, and he wants to hear you scream!!!" of course, he wasn't playing the drums on this one, he was playing the glockenspiel. it was absolutely hilarious watching him wait for the note to come around. 29. part of particle man --> kumbaya --> the rest of particle man kumbaya? by this point i was too disoriented and delirious with glee (yes, actual glee!) to even be surprised... :) unfortunately, there were no autographs to be had afterward. the johns were too busy eating domino's pizza inside... i tried waiting them out, but my cab came *way* too quickly. what are the chances of that, i suppose? --jim kuemmerle, who probably got carpal tunnel writing this damn post... j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/ ------------------------------ From: SLFFV@cc.usu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:26:09 -0600 (MDT) Subject: TMBG: Linnell Message-id: <01J1VVSOZEQQ9BVFQI@cc.usu.edu> He was wearing a black shirt, black pants, and baet-up old canvcas tennis shoes. Flans was wearing that green collared shirt, black pants and tennis shoes too. I was on the 2nd row up until the middle of "lie still, little bottle" I just could barely breathe at that point. I wanted to stay, but I didn't want to die in an crowd of people like that. I was right in front of that cannon-so a lot of it got in my hair. If it had been angled a little higher, it would have gone straight back and up into the balcony, but it wasn't so it hit one of those beams and landed in the back. I was a little off center, and if I had been a little more left I would have gotten to play Flans' guitar...I suppose I will have to wait until They come back another time.... I wanted to stay later and wait for Them to come out and sign autographs, but it's a long way back to Logan and we were all just beat. If we had stayed any later we would not have made it home safely. ------------------------------ From: gray42@juno.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:37:04 -0400 Subject: TMBG: Horrible hands Message-ID: <19980916.223728.9686.0.gray42@juno.com> Ok, so I went shoping at my local Wal-Mart store, noticed the Halloween isle (yippee my favorite), and went straight to it, in which I discovered "Horrible Hands" (guess what song popped into my head, which I immediately started gleefully singing aloud, you got it, Mr. Horrible). Well it got me thinking, well Halloween is coming up very soon, and of course I'll dress up for it (at 18 I still feel that you're never too old to dress up). This year I'd like to dress up as a TMBG character. OK, here's a FUN list question, If you could be any TMBG character, or group member for that matter, which would you be, and what would the costume be made up of/ look like? I've been on and off this listfor a year and a half, but I don't remeber this question ever coming up, or maybe iot's my chronic... what's the word/s... oh yeah... memory loss :P Mysterio Gal (official parallel personality= wrestler, Al Snow) "Little David is all grown up. Too bad for the cause of Good!" --Negativland MST3K#88182 gray42@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4871 The Official Project Omicrom website: www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/9007 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:13:34 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: Horrible hands Message-ID: <19980916.231334.3686.1.sped27@juno.com> From: sped27@juno.com (Drew Lawless) "Mr. Horrible" is actually called "Someone Keeps Moving My Chair." I'd be "Depressed Graham Maby," and I'd walk around, trying to rock out to a recording of Natalie Merchant's "Kind and Generous," and failing miserably. Drew "It's nice to be liked, but it's better by far to get paid." - Liz Phair ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19980917040538.11454.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Josh Buckland" Subject: Re: TMBG: Horrible hands Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:05:36 PDT Why not be a filthy scarecrow? Or, if you can find blank Superman tights and cape, you could paint a big P on them and go as Particlman. Dress up in clothes made popular in the 1800's combined with Spice Girls shoes, and You Might Be A Giant. Why not dress up as the girl at the end of the tour? Or you could just dress like Linnell, bash your head into the wall until bleeding, and don't stop till your head falls off (though that may not be a long way off). I myself, after deciding that not enough people would relate a zoot suit to the Cherry Poppin' Daddies, am dressing up as Micheal Myers (Halloween, not Wayne's World). I've already bought the mask and everything! Josh Buckland dilbert_2000@hotmail.com ICQ#: 17262308 contact me! http://profiles.yahoo.com/LeChuck/ "Well it's you and me and the bottle makes three tonight." -Big Bad Voodoo Daddy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19980917040838.1455.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Sarah faye" Subject: Re: TMBG: Bowery Ballroom shows Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:08:37 PDT >Hello exquisite living people, > >If you didn't already know, you can now purchase >tickets to the Bowery Ballroom shows via Ticketweb. > >Go to http://www.ticketweb.com . > >There is a $2.25 charge per ticket, which isn't that >much. > >They're $20 each. I have ordered mine for both shows available there--Friday and Saturday. I hope to meet some of you people.....when the show gets closer, I'll post about what I look like and all that so you can find me :) sarah faye "and the sky was made of amethyst" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:27:32 -0700 (PDT) From: leonard helfgott Subject: Re: TMBG: Horrible hands Message-ID: I'd be The Man. Cap'n Helfgott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: none of your damn business Subject: TMBG: typical "newbie" greeting... Message-ID: Hello everyone, I've only been subscribed to this list a couple of days now, so plese bear with me. First off, let me say I'm amazed at the sheer volume of tmbg knowledge on this list. There are songs and factoids I've never even heard of floating around here. And to think I'm considered the tmbg expert among my friends...I feel so inadequate...*sob* But, to get to my point. I finally got to see Them for the first time in 5 years (5 LONG years) in San Francisco. I met a guy at that show who helped me get tix from a scalper (I got there late due to a sick ferret) and who gave me a CD single for "the statue got me high" as a consolation prize. It wasn't until I got home that night that I realized I never really thanked him for that, and I was hoping he was on this list so I could. So, if there's a guy on this list who lives in the Bay Area, is around 6', has brown, curly hair, and who remembers giving a desparate, female tmbg fan a CD outside the Fillmore, please send me a note. Thanks. Finally, I apologize to everyone else for taking up list space. I feel kind of like I've walked into a party where everyone knows everyone else, except for me. Is that a normal thing? Jeez, I'm paranoid... thanks for your attention, foilgirl ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #10-14 ******************************