Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest #8-1 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 8, Number 1 Wednesday, 1 July 1998 Today's Topics: Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate TMBG: Sandman (real TMBG content, I swear) Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! Fw: TMBG: TMBG fans unite... form of an ape, form of..... Re: TMBG: Sandman (real TMBG content, I swear) TMBG: non-tmbg: friendly? this list? Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate TMBG: Particle Man Sucks? Re: TMBG: Dr. Worm TMBG: TMBG Geography TMBG: TMBG List Rules Re: TMBG: TMBG List Rules Re: TMBG: TMBG List Rules Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! Re: TMBG: TMBG List Rules Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! Re: TMBG: Dan Bern Re: Really NON TMBG: communism (warning: long-winded) Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks? Re: NON-TMBG: Dan Bern Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks? TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) TMBG: Tired of those darn "shut up" messages, try TMBG! TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) Re: TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks? ADios! Semi-TMBG:Mono virgin TMBG: The Power Of TMBG DAS tape TMBG: TMBG Stuff NON-TMBG: Josh Buckland Re: Semi-TMBG:Mono virgin Re: TMBG: TMBG Stuff Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks! TMBG: MIDIs, anyone??? TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks! TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) Re: Really NON TMBG: communism (warning: long-winded) Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Administrivia: If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing send mail to tmbg-digest-request@tmbg.org for instructions on how to be automatically removed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. --------------------------------------------------------------------- tmbg-list is digested with Digest 3.5b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Monotreme3@aol.com Message-ID: <3152bc81.35970767@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:17:58 EDT Subject: Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate In a message dated 6/27/98 3:10:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, helfgott@cc.wwu.edu writes: > I recently had a bit of a debate with a friend that left me extremely > interested, and I thought that I would mail the list, and see what you > guys think, being smart people all of you. The debate was whether or not > in a community where hate was never introduced, do you think that hate > would stem, and why? If you don't want to respond given the Non TMBG > subject line, don't, but I am curious to see what the general populace > thinks about this. Thank you Certainly hate would stem. Oh yes. Hate is a natural, human emotion... it is not a word and it is not, in most cases, taught. Well... "hate" is a word, and the feeling would not be called "hate" were it to come about, which it would. But it would definitely occur. I am as sure of that as I am of the fact that the air conditioning in my house no longer works. Hopefully, however, it will be fixed by tomorrow. -Carey, who has hated since the day he first hated something... ------------------------------ From: Monotreme3@aol.com Message-ID: <78c1b078.35970e16@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:46:29 EDT Subject: TMBG: Sandman (real TMBG content, I swear) I've just been re-reading all my Sandman's and I came accross something that I *knew* was there but just couldn't find. It was the TMBG reference (a REAL reference) in an issue of Sandman. It's in A Game of You and it's a radio DJ announcing "The Nightgown of the Sullen Moon" having just been played. This has to do with the fact that a couple issues earlier one of the characters called the moon down so that she and two others could walk it's path to The Land where Barbie was in big trouble trying to save everyone from the Cukoo. Um. Yeah. So... read Sandman if you don't. Even if for no other reason than to see the TMBG reference. -Carey "A perfect society is an unnatural society, and therefore an impossible one." -Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park - The Newly Discovered and then Lost Again World (The seventh book in the series which takes place after Malcolm has died thrice and somehow come back for sequels. These next five books are also not available in stores, but can be read in the library of the Lord of Dreams, Morpheus, the Sandman which contains all the books that have never been written.) "You know why I love America, Lois?" "No, why Clark?" "Because in America... we hate Commie bastards...." "Um... gee Clark... um. Yeah." -Issue number 1 of the "Amazingly Patriotic Man of Steel" (Also in the aforementioned library....) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980628235452.0069edf4@glasscity.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:54:52 -0400 From: Kelley Ketchmark Subject: Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! >Where's that moderator? Amen! I was going to say something too, but I'm rather new to the list, and I thougth it might just be a phase, but this is incredible. I tried to delete the non-tmbg posts, but there are sooo many it's difficult to. Many of them are not even marked as such... I understand that fans of one group will have diverse interests and want to discuss them at times, but this list is very high traffic and it becomes a real pain for those of us who don't have the time to wade through the multitude of posts that deal with everything under the sun. kelley ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Message-ID: <19980629.000320.14286.0.Superman75@juno.com> From: superman75@juno.com (Adam Schaaf) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:02:34 EDT hi. just from the record, i did not write this: > hi. > > >there is a place at which our thinking differs--we still, according to > >marx' manifesto, have a few notches of evolution left before true > >communism is possible. right now, it is my educated opinion that, > >despite being brought up in a totally communal society, people will > >still want, and want is just an extension of need ... think about that. what i wrote was this: > "Yes, Lisa, but in therory, communisim works. In therory." - Homer > Simpson > > adam schaaf, D'oh! the stuff at the top was what i was replying to. adam schaaf, clearing his good name. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <35973DA4.28F9@fuse.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:09:24 -0700 From: jays your one-paged dictionary Organization: dial-a-song! 718-387-6962, narrrrrrrrr! Subject: Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Adam Schaaf wrote: > what i wrote was this: > > > "Yes, Lisa, but in therory, communisim works. In therory." - Homer > > Simpson > > > > adam schaaf, D'oh! > > the stuff at the top was what i was replying to. > > adam schaaf, clearing his good name. hey. i DID write that stuff. :P jayhc, offended. -- jayhc--always accurate, constant, and intense. e-mail: sirjamez@fuse.net, phonebook@tmbg.org aol im: SaturnChrd, PhoneBookJ irc: PhoneBook "and sadly the cross-eyed bear's been put to sleep behind the stairs, and his shoes are laced with irony." --tmbg "Hey, some people take drugs and some people like to have sex all day, I like to watch my bees as I make music, so what." --steve vai -- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00a801bda317$7ac136a0$2e1f0792@super> From: "David Adams" Subject: Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:36:21 -0500 -----Original Message----- > I remember a time when a single off topic poster would >get screamed at. Now this list is all random stuff about >whatever and no one seems to care. If any one said anything >important in the past few day about TMBG it was lost in an >ocean of miscellany. > >Where's that moderator? Mmmmm moderators. Maybe we should have one! That would solve everyone's problem. Then anyone could "listen" to the list and only good ol' TMBG stuff would get through! Any volunteers? Pas moi, s'il vous plait! David Adams adams@csc.smsu.edu http://www.cs.smsu.edu/~adams ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00e501bda319$990fc7a0$2e1f0792@super> From: "David Adams" Subject: Fw: TMBG: TMBG fans unite... form of an ape, form of..... Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:51:34 -0500 -----Original Message----- >a ban on this idiot. >I call upon Leo to remove Josh Buckland from the mailing list. Anyone who >is behind me, may second this motion. Or better yet, we all can just ignore him. Instead of creating more controversy by trying to oust members who annoy us (although I would agree that in this case, he did a great job of annoying everyone), if everyone who is bothered by his actions just ignores them, he'll stop soon enough. What fun is it to type messages to oneself? If your email client allows it, automatically delete every message he sends to the list; if not, use your willpower to delete it yourself and just ignore him. I think it's dangerous for the community to start ousting people they don't like because what they say is annoying. True, the TMBG list isn't subject to the First Amendment to the US Constitution. I'd be all for ousting someone whose email becomes obscene or extremely abusive, or if they're mailbombing the list or something damaging like that. But annoying speech is easy enough to disregard. Personally, I'd be afraid to post on a list that kicks members off for posting "annoying" messages. Sure he's breaking the rules, but I think a more effective way of dealing with this kind of activity is to *ignore it*. It really works! I know it's difficult, but you really don't have to reply to every message you have a negative reaction to. Positive reinforcement is truly the way to go! David Adams adams@csc.smsu.edu http://www.cs.smsu.edu/~adams PS I'm really not defending Joshua Buckland, so if you are thinking that, you are wrong. PPS Whoops, I meant to send this to the entire list originally and ended up just sending it to the original author. Sorry! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980629045020.006dbd44@cybnetonline.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:50:20 -0500 From: "The Li'l Depressed Boy" Subject: Re: TMBG: Sandman (real TMBG content, I swear) At 11:46 PM 6/28/98 EDT, Monotreme3@aol.com wrote: The full message was too long so I had to either cut the message or the sig. I cut the message because I didn't have time to cut the whole sig. >-Carey > >"A perfect society is an unnatural society, and therefore an impossible one." >-Ian Malcolm in Jurassic Park - The Newly Discovered and then Lost Again World >(The seventh book in the series which takes place after Malcolm has died >thrice and somehow come back for sequels. These next five books are also not >available in stores, but can be read in the library of the Lord of Dreams, >Morpheus, the Sandman which contains all the books that have never been >written.) > >"You know why I love America, Lois?" >"No, why Clark?" >"Because in America... we hate Commie bastards...." >"Um... gee Clark... um. Yeah." >-Issue number 1 of the "Amazingly Patriotic Man of Steel" (Also in the >aforementioned library....) > > > Which issue is that? I myself was just going through my sandman's today (the preludes and nocturns part) to find the hidden Is. (Li'l creatures made up by Sam Kieth, later made famous in his comic [also cartoon] entitled the Maxx.) There it was, the silly li'l guy was in hell. I forget which issue, because it's up in my room and my brothers asleep so I don't want to borrow him. LDB, the biggest Sam Kieth fan on this here list. -- (this site cuts the amount of URL's I put in my Sig) My Web Page Index: http://www.cybnetonline.com/users/njack/ TMBG | D.U.M.B. NEWS | Mr. Gone Font -- Contemporary Cartoon Militia is (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble and Kris W. M. Struble. The Li'l Depressed Boy, Phreeck, Spyder Hunt, and all related characters (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble ------------------------------ Message-Id: <9806290558.AA00604@willis.williams.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:03:58 +0100 From: beknowles@vaxsar.vassar.edu (Ben Knowles) Subject: TMBG: non-tmbg: friendly? this list? >Pretty new to the list, so a big hello to all you folks. May I say that as >a whole, you are one of the most friendly groups on the internet. HA! that's ironic, cuz i was just thinking that everyone here is an asshole. i'll keep subscribing though, cuz i need something to keep me busy at work. short comments-- to all the people who are constantly saying things like, "sorry about this post, but i just couldn't help it..." and then making personal attacks: grow some skin. to josh: when you first posted to the list that you thought tmbg has a lot of bad songs, i thought "yes! thank god somebody has an opinion about something." i wasn't offended. not even slightly. not in the least. woo-hoo for josh! BUT... then you pulled that little suicide note stunt, and just allow me to say that that was the most tasteless bullshit i've ever seen. i don't care how old you are. i don't care what your spelling skills are like (c'mon people, this is e-mail, not an english exam). and i certainly sympathize with you on more than a few points - i'm assuing we've all seemingly been the brunt of everyone's anger at least once in our lives. but got-dammit, you don't joke around with that shit. you just don't. if you do, you're playing around with one of the biggest emotional tragedies there is, and that's just not cool. i forgive you, and i think you have just as much right as anybody to post to this list. but i also think you should consider yourself warned, not necessarily by me, but by the list in general. you may have noticed that you upset some people. it's late. i can't believe how many tmbg-list posts i just read through. duuuuude, ben "balls as big as small dogs" aka nub anyone like dan bern? *%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%* | | | "Every jumbled pile of person Ben Knowles - Vassar College | | has a thinking part that wonders beknowles@vassar.edu | | what the part that isn't thinking Physics - Astronomy | | isn't thinking of." - TMBG Photography Editor, Misc. | | | *%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%*=--=*%@%* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:20:53 -0700 (PDT) From: leonard helfgott Subject: Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Message-ID: you are talking about socialism, and they are not the same thing. Also, the main word is traditionally, and the state of oppression goes far beyond owning all private businesses in all modern "communist" communities. On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Bill Tatalovich wrote: > > On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, leonard helfgott wrote: > > > communism is an institution traditionally run by an oppresive government, > > so therefore, that is not what I'm talking about. Simply a community > > where money was no concern, and the recources were plentiful. > > Communism in practice doesn't necessarily mean an oppressive government. > It is true, though, that many of them are termed as oppressive, merely > because the government controls all private businesses, etc. Then again, > we can think about this as being a moot point, because no "real" communist > government has ever existed, only regimes operating under the pretense of > instituting communism. Because once communism truly exists, there is no > need for a "government." > > > |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | > | | > | wt3@cec.wustl.edu | > | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | > | | > | Visit feedback for toddlers! | > | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > np: KWUR 90.3 fm Real Audio! (yeah!) > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Brown" Subject: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks? Message-ID: In response to Ben's call for TMBG content i'll offer an honest to god opinion about TMBG. I think Particle Man sucks. It is a boring stupuid song. I liked it loads back when i was highschool in the early 90's and thought it was so cool and made up all sorts of interptrataions of the lyrics involving the Bavarian Illuminati etc. Know i just find the song annoying. it is really ploding and the some doesn't go any where musically. I now find the lyrics cloying in a geeky way. Anyone agree? Anyone else grown to hate the song as they've grown older? jason ------------------------------ Message-ID: <35973473.9F44C7C9@home.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:30:13 -0700 From: NICHOLAS JANSSEN Organization: @Home Network Subject: Re: TMBG: Dr. Worm Well, your assumption is wrong I have not herd the song either, so I take a ditto on your comment Mike Mcguire wrote: > > So I'm assuming that I'm the only Person on this list that hasn't heard > Dr. Worm. Why not? Where has everyone heard it? And the Planet of the > Apes stuff. Probably live, huh? I know that I'm the only one in > Houston. > *Mike* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Alon Yaari Subject: TMBG: TMBG Geography Message-ID: A request to TMBG fans who read this list! I am requesting the geographical location of all people who read this list, this means YOU if you can read this. Just the following info: City State Zip Code If you are away for school, send me the info for your home and your school. If you're from outside the US, then supply me with some way of locating you on a map. Besides enjoying just mapping things, I'm somewhat interested in the geographical spread of TMBG fans. My hypothesis going into this is that the map will cluster about New York city, but it's too early to tell yet. If you have not sent it in, please do! I will repost this message occasionally until I get enough respondents... -The Yar Geographer ------------------------------ Message-ID: <011701bda32a$75c8f4e0$2e1f0792@super> From: "David Adams" Subject: TMBG: TMBG List Rules Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:52:15 -0500 Hi TMBG Listers, Perhaps I'm missing something obvious, but I've searched the tmbg.org site and glanced over the FAQ, and I've been unable to find any rules, guidelines, or even suggestions governing the conversations and topics allowed on this list. Obviously many of the listees are annoyed with items that aren't directly related to TMBG--the band, the Johns, or the music--which have proliferated on the list in recent days. But where is there to be found any guidance on what subjects are "okay" and "not okay"? Some may have the opinion that this list is more a gathering place for TMBG fans than an outlet for TMBG-only discussion. Since in many cases fans of TMBG are interested in the same types of things, this extraneous discussion isn't necessarily bad and can be a good thing. Communities that form based on some common ground don't necessarily have to limit themselves to their original commonalities. Why not branch out and find out more about the similarities and differences we have? Why not continue to build the bonds we have using bridges other than TMBG? The TMBG news and discussion will not go away, it will just be supplemented. If the purpose of this list is only to provide announcements of new CDs, concerts, and bootlegs, then why not choose a moderator to submit this news to and give only that moderator the permission to send message to the list? If the purpose of this list is to allow discussion of concert performances, recordings, personal song likes/dislikes, and other music-related things only; or if the purpose of this list is some other similarly restricted list of topics, then by all means, the document containing these rules must be made public! There's a TMBG FAQ, where's the TMBG-list FAQ? When I joined the list, I was given no warning that it was inappropriate to post off-topic messages. I realize that traditional netiquette holds that you stay on topic, goddammit, but other than the fact that this list is hosted by tmbg.org and named tmbg-list, there is no indication anywhere of what the topic is! Maybe the best solutions would be for the readers of this list to discuss what is appropriate and inappropriate to discuss on this list. Then, some devoted volunteer can create a document (the aforementioned TMBG-list FAQ, perhaps) that addresses these issues and how to deal with "violators." This document could easily be sent to new list members, and inappropriate messages can be dealt with in a fair manner. So what do you say? David Adams adams@csc.smsu.edu http://www.cs.smsu.edu/~adams ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: leonard helfgott Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBG List Rules Message-ID: I say we let it be, and let those of us discuss what we want to, and use the list to gather with some other intelligent people. Jon Helfgott ------------------------------ Message-ID: <012f01bda32b$fc508ae0$2e1f0792@super> From: "David Adams" Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBG List Rules Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:03:11 -0500 Good, then we agree! (That's two!) DaveA -----Original Message----- From: leonard helfgott To: David Adams Cc: Date: Monday, June 29, 1998 1:52 AM Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBG List Rules >I say we let it be, and let those of us discuss what we want to, and use >the list to gather with some other intelligent people. >Jon Helfgott > ------------------------------ From: gray42@juno.com Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:42:48 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! Message-ID: <19980629.024513.3318.2.gray42@juno.com> On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:36:21 -0500 "David Adams" writes: >-----Original Message----- >> I remember a time when a single off topic poster would >>get screamed at. Now this list is all random stuff about >>whatever and no one seems to care. If any one said anything >>important in the past few day about TMBG it was lost in an >>ocean of miscellany. >> >>Where's that moderator? > >Mmmmm moderators. Maybe we should have one! That would solve >everyone's >problem. Then anyone could "listen" to the list and only good ol' >TMBG >stuff would get through! Any volunteers? Pas moi, s'il vous plait! > >David Adams >adams@csc.smsu.edu >http://www.cs.smsu.edu/~adams > > MODERATORS SUCK! mODERATORS sUCK! PROMOTE CHAOS! pROMOTE cHAOS! Sorry about the uncalled for outburst, but I just had to do it. If it weren't for these beautiful unrelated things that the johns sing about, we would be naive, and the list would be dead, cause' right now, not enough of john related news is going on, and i personally can't stand dead lists, everything has a good and bad side to it. Mysterio Gal (list monster) "ME NO LIKE HAMBURGER, ME WANT PEANUTBUTTER, ACTUALLY ME HATE PEANUTBUTTER TOO! ME JUST WANT HAIR!" -- Claire Monster (fully equipped with extremely loud keyboard and monster voice) ICQ# 9585405 MST3K#88182 gray42@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4871 The Official Project Omicrom website: www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/9007 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980629070102.006f36ec@cybnetonline.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:01:02 -0500 From: "The Li'l Depressed Boy" Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBG List Rules >So what do you say? > I say nay, a thousand times nay. The list is for all of us with comon interests to share it. Not just for TMBG, but for anything we like. This is our meeting ground, we talk of what we deem important. We post random LEFFEL references. We post about comics. We post about films. We post about HTD. We post about Bob Dole. We post about me being bigger'n the list. If you ask me the question has already been answered, hasn't it? LDB, who is just gonna edit this slightly and send it to the Maxx list the *next* time it happens there. (It happens on all lists, all the time.) -- (this site cuts the amount of URL's I put in my Sig) My Web Page Index: http://www.cybnetonline.com/users/njack/ TMBG | D.U.M.B. NEWS | Mr. Gone Font -- Contemporary Cartoon Militia is (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble and Kris W. M. Struble. The Li'l Depressed Boy, Phreeck, Spyder Hunt, and all related characters (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:14:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Bill Tatalovich Subject: Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! Message-ID: Hey all-- First off...do we have any more news on a video for "Dr. Worm"? I mean, if the single's been sent to some radio stations, the video can't be far behind. Okay, now onto the (albeit somewhat redundant) meat of this post: On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, David Adams wrote: > >Where's that moderator? > > Mmmmm moderators. Maybe we should have one! That would solve everyone's > problem. Then anyone could "listen" to the list and only good ol' TMBG > stuff would get through! Any volunteers? Pas moi, s'il vous plait! I'm surprised no one (especially Leo) has posted about this. There was a time around here about a year/year and a half ago where they decided to moderate the list (oh shit...I can't remember who the whole thing surrounded...one person essentially started it). Leo decided he would do it, and then basically gave up. Because basically, as soon as you start moderating this list, there's so much subjectivity surrounding what gets through and what doesn't that it's way too stressful for one person to do. So....my only advice is to make use of that delete key. You don't like a post or a thread, fine. Delete it. Someone had posted saying "grow some skin" to people who ask forgiveness before flaming someone...I think that applies to all of us. I personally find a lot of these "wars" funny for about a couple of posts, then I just start deleting it. It's as simple as that. Oh, and one other thing. I really doubt that Josh Buckland is still here. So cut it out. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | | | | wt3@cec.wustl.edu | | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | | | | Visit feedback for toddlers! | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:18:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Bill Tatalovich Subject: Re: TMBG: Dan Bern Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Ben Knowles wrote: > duuuuude, > ben "balls as big as small dogs" aka nub > > anyone like dan bern? Ah....quoting "Tiger Woods", I see. Terrific song, albeit bordering on a little, uh, crude, I guess. As a whole, though, _50 Eggs_ (his newest album) is really good....I just played "Cure for AIDS" on my radio show tonight, actually. Yeah, so anyone who's into that whole "folk/folk rock with a humorous edge, and a bit of musicality", Dan Bern's probably right for you. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | | | | wt3@cec.wustl.edu | | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | | | | Visit feedback for toddlers! | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:52:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Bill Tatalovich Subject: Re: Really NON TMBG: communism (warning: long-winded) Message-ID: Hey all-- All right...the real conclusion of my post is immediately below. The lemmata which got me to that conclusion are included below. Sorry for the long post. --------------------------conclusion first------------------------------- As it says in the definition for communism (which is included below), it is the final stage in the Marxist theory of communism, where the state has withered away and the public lives without any government. THAT is true communism, and that has also never existed. Every regime that has ever claimed to be instituting communism, while they may have originally intended to do that, never did. It became not a communist society but a society under a regime. There's a big difference. ------------------begin post in earnest---------------------------------- com mu nism (from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary) "1.... (a) : a theory advocating elimination of private property (b) : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed 2... capitalized (a) : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the U.S.S.R. (b) : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production (c) : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably (d) : communist systems collectively" We're arguing semantics here. I'm talking Marxist theory, which is defined as 2a and 2c above. Mr. Helfgott is arguing for definition 2b, which, while a valid conclusion, is not talking about the theory behind Marx's ideas. It merely talks about the conclusion that has come about in "attempts" at communism in this world. What I meant when I said "No real communist government has ever existed", I meant within the span of Marxist theory. And, when it comes to communism, I'll trust Marx over anyone else any day of the week. As to the statement that I was talking about socialism, check this out: socialism (also according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary) "1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done" The only thing in this definition that comes close to what I was talking about is in definition 1, where it says "advocating collective or governmental ownership". Socialism is essentially a more general term. Communism is a more precise definition of a particular type of socialism. Again judging from Marxist theory (in definition 3 for socialism), socialism is merely a transitional stage, where the government still exists, and thus can "oppress" the citizens. Mr. Helfgott my friend, it is you who are talking about socialism. * ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------restating conclusion---------------------------- As it says in the definition for communism, it is the final stage in the Marxist theory of communism, where the state has withered away and the public lives without any government. THAT is true communism, and that has also never existed. Every regime that has ever claimed to be instituting communism, while they may have originally intended to do that, never did. It became not a communist society but a society under a regime. There's a big difference. * ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, leonard helfgott wrote: > you are talking about socialism, and they are not the same thing. Also, > the main word is traditionally, and the state of oppression goes far > beyond owning all private businesses in all modern "communist" > communities. > > On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Bill Tatalovich wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, leonard helfgott wrote: > > > > > communism is an institution traditionally run by an oppresive government, > > > so therefore, that is not what I'm talking about. Simply a community > > > where money was no concern, and the recources were plentiful. > > > > Communism in practice doesn't necessarily mean an oppressive government. > > It is true, though, that many of them are termed as oppressive, merely > > because the government controls all private businesses, etc. Then again, > > we can think about this as being a moot point, because no "real" communist > > government has ever existed, only regimes operating under the pretense of > > instituting communism. Because once communism truly exists, there is no > > need for a "government." > > |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | | | | wt3@cec.wustl.edu | | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | | | | Visit feedback for toddlers! | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:55:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Bill Tatalovich Subject: Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks? Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, J. Brown wrote: > In response to Ben's call for TMBG content i'll offer an honest to god > opinion about TMBG. I think Particle Man sucks. It is a boring stupuid > song. I liked it loads back when i was highschool in the early 90's and > thought it was so cool and made up all sorts of interptrataions of the > lyrics involving the Bavarian Illuminati etc. Know i just find the song > annoying. it is really ploding and the some doesn't go any where > musically. I now find the lyrics cloying in a geeky way. Anyone agree? > Anyone else grown to hate the song as they've grown older? [Bill raises his hand] Me. Admittedly, unlike a lot of people "Particle Man" was not my first exposure to TMBG. But I still managed to grow to dislike it (along with a couple of other Flood tracks that shall remain nameless, as I think mentioning one is enough). I don't know...it just seems sort of, well, dumb to me. But hey, that's just me. |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | | | | wt3@cec.wustl.edu | | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | | | | Visit feedback for toddlers! | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <199806290823.EAA08085@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:23:33 -0500 From: Mitchell Harding Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Dan Bern At 02:18 AM 6/29/98 -0500, you wrote: > >On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Ben Knowles wrote: > >> duuuuude, >> ben "balls as big as small dogs" aka nub >> >> anyone like dan bern? > >Ah....quoting "Tiger Woods", I see. Terrific song, albeit bordering on a >little, uh, crude, I guess. As a whole, though, _50 Eggs_ (his newest >album) is really good....I just played "Cure for AIDS" on my radio show >tonight, actually. Yeah, so anyone who's into that whole "folk/folk rock >with a humorous edge, and a bit of musicality", Dan Bern's probably right >for you. Dan Bern is great. I've got all 3 of his CDs, and I can highly recommend them all. Harf, Mitch ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980629101218.007d38c0@mail-in.keme.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:12:18 +0100 From: the famous Uncle Squid Subject: Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! At 23:54 28/06/98 -0400, you wrote: > >>Where's that moderator? > >Amen! I was going to say something too, but I'm rather new to the list, >and I thougth it might just be a phase, but this is incredible. I tried to >delete the non-tmbg posts, but there are sooo many it's difficult to. Many >of them are not even marked as such... > >I understand that fans of one group will have diverse interests and want to >discuss them at times, but this list is very high traffic and it becomes a >real pain for those of us who don't have the time to wade through the >multitude of posts that deal with everything under the sun. > >kelley > Hvae you tried setting up a few filters to throw all the subject lines with non-tmbg in a seperate mailbox or even the trash. This is all I have to say on the matter. --USQ ~THE ELLESLEYS~ (of Colchester-Essex-UK) Home Page: Http://www.keme.co.uk/~thelimes/trendsetting.html TMBG page: Http://members.xoom.com/uncle_squid/Xoom/ <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "Weird? I think describing me as weird is a bit strong. Cut the chatta, get back down the mine and find me some custard to have with my breakfast" --Uncle Squid <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980629102242.007cc700@mail-in.keme.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:22:42 +0100 From: the famous Uncle Squid Subject: Re: TMBG: Enough Non-TMBG Crap! At 02:14 29/06/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hey all-- > >First off...do we have any more news on a video for "Dr. Worm"? I mean, >if the single's been sent to some radio stations, the video can't be far >behind. > >Okay, now onto the (albeit somewhat redundant) meat of this post: > >On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, David Adams wrote: > >> >Where's that moderator? >> >> Mmmmm moderators. Maybe we should have one! That would solve everyone's >> problem. Then anyone could "listen" to the list and only good ol' TMBG >> stuff would get through! Any volunteers? Pas moi, s'il vous plait! > >I'm surprised no one (especially Leo) has posted about this. There was a >time around here about a year/year and a half ago where they decided to >moderate the list (oh shit...I can't remember who the whole thing >surrounded...one person essentially started it). Leo decided he would do >it, and then basically gave up. Because basically, as soon as you start >moderating this list, there's so much subjectivity surrounding what gets >through and what doesn't that it's way too stressful for one person to do. >So....my only advice is to make use of that delete key. You don't like a >post or a thread, fine. Delete it. Someone had posted saying "grow some >skin" to people who ask forgiveness before flaming someone...I think that >applies to all of us. I personally find a lot of these "wars" funny for >about a couple of posts, then I just start deleting it. It's as simple as >that. > >Oh, and one other thing. I really doubt that Josh Buckland is still here. >So cut it out. I think me and Bill are the only people on this list not making things difficult for everyone. It's like, OK, the subjects will be a lot less non-tmbg as soon as STD is released, I mean, it's like when IFTS was released, everyone had something to say. You gotta take the rough with the smooth. --USQ ~THE ELLESLEYS~ (of Colchester-Essex-UK) Home Page: Http://www.keme.co.uk/~thelimes/trendsetting.html TMBG page: Http://members.xoom.com/uncle_squid/Xoom/ <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "Weird? I think describing me as weird is a bit strong. Cut the chatta, get back down the mine and find me some custard to have with my breakfast" --Uncle Squid <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 07:55:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Subject: Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Message-ID: Ok. here is my idea on communism. It is one of those things where the idea is good but the practice is just not possible. The thought of everyone having a job and a home is wonderful. A possible utopia. But there is a rather large downfall. If people don't have to work for what they are getting, eventually they will stop working. I am one of those people who has an over zealous work ethic and all, but there is no way that i would continue to bust my butt if i was going to get the same as everyone else. THat is human nature. As for those in the government...they did get a bit power-hungry. Don't forget Gorbachev (sp) and all that he did to attempt to improve conditions in the former soviet republics. That was my 2 cents. A little wordy I know, sorry Robin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:06:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Subject: Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Message-ID: we are not taught to hate, we are taught how to hate (meaning that the emotion is there natually, but the practice is not) On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 Monotreme3@aol.com wrote: > Certainly hate would stem. Oh yes. Hate is a natural, human emotion... it is > not a word and it is not, in most cases, taught. Well... "hate" is a word, and > the feeling would not be called "hate" were it to come about, which it would. > But it would definitely occur. I am as sure of that as I am of the fact that > the air conditioning in my house no longer works. Hopefully, however, it will > be fixed by tomorrow. > -Carey, who has hated since the day he first hated something... > ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 11:19 EDT From: kbrodbec@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu (Kirsten Brodbeck) Subject: Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks? >In response to Ben's call for TMBG content i'll offer an honest to god >opinion about TMBG. I think Particle Man sucks. "Sucks" might be a little strong, but I'm a little tired of it.. Mostly the old Floodie dilemma, that everyone knows "Particle Man" and "Istanbul" and that's it. But I firmly believe that in the future, it's going to be one of those songs kids sing to annoy bus drivers. :) Kirsten -- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] "And she said losing love is like a window in your heart Everybody sees you're blown apart..." - Paul Simon "Graceland" Kirsten Brodbeck AKA Crow kbrodbec@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu ------------------------------ From: mr.train@juno.com Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:22:56 -0400 Subject: TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) Message-ID: <19980629.122257.13598.0.Mr.Train@juno.com> Hey all, it seems Chris is picking nits overtime this week so lemme just clear some stuff up: Please send all votes to topflick@juno.com Please vote for ONE movie Re: Sub-Genii of the list: I didn't quite understand this part of your post at all Chris. I'd assume that all members of the TMBG list will see the results when I post them in one week or one year! Who ARE the Sub-Genii of the list? Re: On-Topic posts - I have been gone for one week. Before I left, the top 100 movies of all time had been released. Much controversy ensued on the TMBG mailing list, so I said that when I returned from my week long trip, I would set up an e-mail account for people to vote for the best movie of all time. To those that don't want to vote: don't send the name of the best movie of all time to topflick@juno.com To those that don't want to see the results: Do not read any post with the subject line: Re: BEST MOVIE RESULTS or any facsimile Tim, Gallup Tim Miscellaneous Tim AKA TMB(do)G AKA Tambo (IRC) AKA Mr.Train (OML) Favorite TMBG song update: n/a Last CD purchase: everclear - So Much For The Afterglow / Fountains of Wayne / Royal Crown Revue - Mugsy's Move Favorite mainstream song: One Week - Barenaked Ladies _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: Happyfroot@aol.com Message-ID: <52f5335d.3597c33f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:39:26 EDT Subject: TMBG: Tired of those darn "shut up" messages, try TMBG! Ok, maybe it's just me, but I'm tired of getting a ton of messages telling Dilbert to shut up, although they may have perfectly good reasons to tell him so, those reasons get repetative after a few times of hearing them. Anyway, I tried to be nice, but he didn't regard my message as such, so onto other topics which have been on this list: GEOGRAPHY: Hollis, NH 03049 MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS: in my band I have played the following instruments on recordings: drums, spoons, guitar, bass, trumpet (poorly), slide whistle, keyboard, programming, vocals (also poorly), I think that's it! COVERING TMBG: Someone mentioned their cover of Stormy Pinkness . . . At my website http://www.poingly.com, in Real Audio there are covers of Gas Mask & Exquisite Dead Guy (in the middle of another song) at the poingly sucks live album . . . jason "the idiot" glastetter http://wwww.poingly.com ------------------------------ From: gray42@juno.com Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:54:41 -0400 Subject: TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) Message-ID: <19980629.125620.3318.0.gray42@juno.com> On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:22:56 -0400 mr.train@juno.com writes: >Hey all, it seems Chris is picking nits overtime this week so lemme >just clear some stuff up: > >Please send all votes to topflick@juno.com > >Please vote for ONE movie > >Re: Sub-Genii of the list: I didn't quite understand this part of your >post at all Chris. I'd assume that all members of the TMBG list will >see the results when I post them in one week or one year! Who ARE the >Sub-Genii of the list? I am one of them! (It's in my sig [part of the time]) Mysterio Gal (fellow Subgenius & Happy Mutant) "ME NO LIKE HAMBURGER, ME WANT PEANUTBUTTER, ACTUALLY ME HATE PEANUTBUTTER TOO! ME JUST WANT HAIR!" -- Claire Monster (fully equipped with extremely loud keyboard and monster voice) ICQ# 9585405 MST3K#88182 gray42@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4871 The Official Project Omicrom website: www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/9007 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980629172748.006d8974@cybnetonline.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:27:48 -0500 From: "The Li'l Depressed Boy" Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) At 12:54 PM 6/29/98 -0400, gray42@juno.com wrote: > >On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:22:56 -0400 mr.train@juno.com writes: >>Hey all, it seems Chris is picking nits overtime this week so lemme >>just clear some stuff up: >> >>Please send all votes to topflick@juno.com >> >>Please vote for ONE movie >> >>Re: Sub-Genii of the list: I didn't quite understand this part of your >>post at all Chris. I'd assume that all members of the TMBG list will >>see the results when I post them in one week or one year! Who ARE the >>Sub-Genii of the list? > >I am one of them! (It's in my sig [part of the time]) > You ordained? or you gonna be a Sub-Genius dying during X-Day? This sucks, can't they put it off one more year, just for me! Guess I can go back to my mopin'. LDB -- (this site cuts the amount of URL's I put in my Sig) My Web Page Index: http://www.cybnetonline.com/users/njack/ TMBG | D.U.M.B. NEWS | Mr. Gone Font -- Contemporary Cartoon Militia is (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble and Kris W. M. Struble. The Li'l Depressed Boy, Phreeck, Spyder Hunt, and all related characters (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble ------------------------------ From: tmbgirl@juno.com Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:15:28 -0600 Subject: Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks? ADios! Message-ID: <19980629.112010.11070.1.TMBgirl@juno.com> hEy ho! >Anyone else grown to hate the song as they've grown older? ah geez.. that's how i feel with just about all of their songs. i think i'm on like overload burnout. i dunno... i'm gonna unsub from the list for a little while... maybe just a couple of weeks while i'm out of town and see if i can get over this here band. i doubt it will happen... look at me with their bootlegs... i don't even like listening to them anymore and yet, i *still* collect them. anyways, i'll probably see you guys in a couple of weeks (when i get back from lovely SoCal... for a swim meet in santa barbara and diving regionals in laguna beach.. wish me luck!) but if, by rare chance, i actually can stay away... catch up with me on the musings board, IRC (ha.. i haven't been there in months!), ICQ (5384586) or AOL IM (yay! i finally got it!) oh hey... and while you're at it check out my new web site at the URL in my sig... if you like TMBG you'll like marcy playground (sex and candy is just a retard song.. listen to "crazy katie, nicotine, and her red jet air balloon" if you do listen to anything off my page) take it easy, JOrdaN http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html NEW SITE: http://members.tripod.com/~tmbgirl/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19980629174712.12544.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Josh Buckland" Subject: Semi-TMBG:Mono virgin Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:47:11 PDT To be honest, I've never actually listened to Mono Puff. I guess I'm more of a Linnell fan than a Flansburgh fan. How would you compare Mono to TMBG? (If not TMBG)What group does Mono Puff sound most like???? Josh Buckland dilbert_2000@hotmail.com "DAMN YOU AND YOUR FAIRY STORIES, THEY'RE SMASHING UP MY HOME!!!!!!!!!" --Arther Dent, "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: TMBG: The Power Of TMBG DAS tape Message-ID: <19980629.141713.2279.1.captainmarvel2@juno.com> From: captainmarvel2@juno.com (Derek A Klein) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:18:21 EDT Hey, I've got a couple questions about the "Power Of TMBG DAS" bootleg for anybody who has it or has heard it. First, I want to know the quality of this tape. Second, does anybody know how this tape was made? Thanks. Derek "Egad, a base tone denotes a bad age" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Subject: TMBG: TMBG Stuff Message-ID: <19980629.141713.2279.0.captainmarvel2@juno.com> From: captainmarvel2@juno.com (Derek A Klein) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:18:21 EDT Sorry, this post is gong to be pretty pointless, but I must state my happiness. It's so rare that I am ever filled with such joy. Anyway, I got home today, and what did I see in my mail box? The Snail Shell CD I was waiting for! Yes! About an hour later, my doorbell rings, and it's none other than the wonderful UPS Man with my TMBG order! To my delight, I open it to see my "O Tannenbaum" record, and my "Unsupervised" and "It's Fun To Steal" CD's. Sorry this has basically no point, I just had to express my delight. Derek "Egad, a base tone denotes a bad age" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Subject: NON-TMBG: Josh Buckland Message-ID: <19980629.144541.8991.0.captainmarvel2@juno.com> From: captainmarvel2@juno.com (Derek A Klein) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:46:36 EDT Sure, Josh Buckland has pissed us all off, BUT I think it's time to just back off. Hopefully he's learned his lesson, and he'll stay away from bashing the band we're on this list to praise. He hasn't posted any more shit, so I say let him stay. If he keeps pulling bull shit like that though, then perhaps kicking him off the list would be an appropriate solution. Until that time, I think he should have the right we all have: to stay on this list and learn more information about TMBG. Derek "Egad, a base tone denotes a bad age" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: TerryTMBG@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:59:08 EDT Subject: Re: Semi-TMBG:Mono virgin >To be honest, I've never actually listened to Mono Puff. I guess I'm >more of a Linnell fan than a Flansburgh fan. How would you compare Mono >to TMBG? (If not TMBG)What group does Mono Puff sound most like???? It took me a long time to get into Mono Puff, and what actually did it was all these people I was talking to on the internet who were just nuts over them. I *definitely* recommend that everyone do so. Mono Puff is really cool. They are by no means TMBG. I look at Mono Puff as being John Flansburgh's more experimental stuff that just didn't fit on a TMBG album. The first album, _Unsupervised_, is very very good. I think it's about half covers and half originals (someone correct me) and it's pretty much all great. There are some country tunes, some TMBG-reminiscent ditties, and some wacked- out stuff too. There are some less-than-splendid points (am I the only one who thinks the demo version of "So Long, Mockingbird" that you can get from tmbg.com is *much* better than the album version?), but overall, wicked cool. As I said, I recommend it for any TMBG fan. Now while _Unsupervised_ is wicked cool, _It's Fun To Steal_ is infinitely better. It's not really funk, not really techno, but it definitely has some of these traits. Even if you don't like funk or techno, don't fear! After a couple of listens I was in love with it. Johnny F. is the man. And of course there are some hip rock tracks too. And of course lots of stylistic twists and stuff. Man, writing all this really makes me wish I hadn't loaned IFTS to a friend. stupid friends. anyway, sorry if I rambled or didn't get my point across, but Mono Puff is awesome. Rush out and buy both their albums now, and if you can find the _Devil Went Down to Newport_ EP, snag that too. so, um, yeah, mono puff is cool. why don'tcha (thump, thump) check 'em out? -terry, master of idle ramblings since 1980- ------------------------------ From: Kaylum@aol.com Message-ID: <391ebb0.3597e40d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:59:24 EDT Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBG Stuff << Anyway, I got home today, and what did I see in my mail box? The Snail Shell CD I was waiting for! Yes! About an hour later, my doorbell rings, and it's none other than the wonderful UPS Man with my TMBG order! To my delight, I open it to see my "O Tannenbaum" record, and my "Unsupervised" and "It's Fun To Steal" CD's. Sorry this has basically no point, I just had to express my delight. >> Woo hoo that is a pretty good day! Never any need to apologize for sharing TMBGJoy (we really need some these days). The "O Tannenbaum" record is pretty cool, eh? I love the greenv vinyl and the cover drawing (I have the shirt, too). I can't wait til the new video comp comp comes out so I can order some more stuff like House of Mayors and some pencils. What I really want is a Worker Johns shirt, but alas they are no more :( Maybe when the new catalog comes out there will be some more new stuff. Kay ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19980629192112.1889.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Josh Buckland" Subject: Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks! Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:21:11 PDT Actually, I quite agree with my subject line. That song was the song that got me interested in Them. Now that I've been further exposed to Them, Particleman just seems so.... I don't know.... medeocre???? Josh Buckland dilbert_2000@hotmail.com "He wants to knock your house down... And he can't, because you're lying in the way of his bulldozer... I think we can come to some arrangement." --Ford Prefect, "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19980629193048.9775.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Josh Buckland" Subject: TMBG: MIDIs, anyone??? Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:30:48 PDT Does anyone know where I can contact someone about having a costom MIDI made????? I'd really like to hear They'll Need A Crane as a MIDI file. Josh Buckland dilbert_2000@hotmail.com "He wants to knock your house down... And he can't, because you're lying in the way of his bulldozer... I think we can come to some arrangement." --Ford Prefect, "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: gray42@juno.com Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:06:44 -0400 Subject: TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) Message-ID: <19980629.151309.3334.0.gray42@juno.com> On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:27:48 -0500 "The Li'l Depressed Boy" writes: >At 12:54 PM 6/29/98 -0400, gray42@juno.com wrote: >> >>On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:22:56 -0400 mr.train@juno.com writes: >>>Hey all, it seems Chris is picking nits overtime this week so lemme >>>just clear some stuff up: >>> >>>Please send all votes to topflick@juno.com >>> >>>Please vote for ONE movie >>> >>>Re: Sub-Genii of the list: I didn't quite understand this part of >your >>>post at all Chris. I'd assume that all members of the TMBG list >will >>>see the results when I post them in one week or one year! Who ARE >the >>>Sub-Genii of the list? >> >>I am one of them! (It's in my sig [part of the time]) >> >You ordained? or you gonna be a Sub-Genius dying during X-Day? This >sucks, >can't they put it off one more year, just for me! > >Guess I can go back to my mopin'. > >LDB I don't know my chances of survival, but I do know that someone will have to plug up the hole in the wall that all the factory rubber rats are going to be rushing through. Floods of rubber rats spell DOOM! Mysterio Gal (who is currently listening to the second episode of the hitchhiker's radio series) "ME NO LIKE HAMBURGER, ME WANT PEANUTBUTTER, ACTUALLY ME HATE PEANUTBUTTER TOO! ME JUST WANT HAIR!" -- Claire Monster (it is my plan to chant this at the next SubGenius meeting at Dragon Con, if I make it) ICQ# 9585405 MST3K#88182 gray42@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4871 The Official Project Omicrom website: www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/9007 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980629193117.006da6ac@cybnetonline.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:31:17 -0500 From: "The Li'l Depressed Boy" Subject: Re: TMBG: Particle Man Sucks! At 12:21 PM 6/29/98 PDT, Josh Buckland wrote: >Actually, I quite agree with my subject line. That song was the song >that got me interested in Them. Now that I've been further exposed to >Them, Particleman just seems so.... I don't know.... medeocre???? > I, myself, am tired of the song too. I still love the song, and I still listen to it from time to time. It is a very good "Spiderman '70's Theme" parody. Well back to your small minisule li'l lives. LDB -- (this site cuts the amount of URL's I put in my Sig) My Web Page Index: http://www.cybnetonline.com/users/njack/ TMBG | D.U.M.B. NEWS | Mr. Gone Font -- Contemporary Cartoon Militia is (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble and Kris W. M. Struble. The Li'l Depressed Boy, Phreeck, Spyder Hunt, and all related characters (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980629193855.006e1570@cybnetonline.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:38:55 -0500 From: "The Li'l Depressed Boy" Subject: TMBG: Re: top 100 flicks poll (masquerade) At 03:06 PM 6/29/98 -0400, gray42@juno.com wrote: > >On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:27:48 -0500 "The Li'l Depressed Boy" > writes: >>At 12:54 PM 6/29/98 -0400, gray42@juno.com wrote: >>> >>>On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:22:56 -0400 mr.train@juno.com writes: >>>>Hey all, it seems Chris is picking nits overtime this week so lemme >>>>just clear some stuff up: >>>> >>>>Please send all votes to topflick@juno.com >>>> >>>>Please vote for ONE movie >>>> >>>>Re: Sub-Genii of the list: I didn't quite understand this part of >>your >>>>post at all Chris. I'd assume that all members of the TMBG list >>will >>>>see the results when I post them in one week or one year! Who ARE >>the >>>>Sub-Genii of the list? >>> >>>I am one of them! (It's in my sig [part of the time]) >>> >>You ordained? or you gonna be a Sub-Genius dying during X-Day? This >>sucks, >>can't they put it off one more year, just for me! >> >>Guess I can go back to my mopin'. >> >>LDB >I don't know my chances of survival, but I do know that someone will have >to plug up the hole in the wall that all the factory rubber rats are >going to be rushing through. Floods of rubber rats spell DOOM! > I was just reading on subgenius.com, it appears we un-ordained shall survive, but all the pinks will die. LDB, waving bye to the pinks. -- (this site cuts the amount of URL's I put in my Sig) My Web Page Index: http://www.cybnetonline.com/users/njack/ TMBG | D.U.M.B. NEWS | Mr. Gone Font -- Contemporary Cartoon Militia is (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble and Kris W. M. Struble. The Li'l Depressed Boy, Phreeck, Spyder Hunt, and all related characters (C) & TM 1998 S. Steven Struble ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: leonard helfgott Subject: Re: Really NON TMBG: communism (warning: long-winded) Message-ID: what do you say to the Russian Bolsheviks claiming to be socialists? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:47:00 -0700 (PDT) From: leonard helfgott Subject: Re: Really NON TMBG: Hate Message-ID: That is why I agree completely with Karl Marx. He states that for true Socialism (communism) to happen, everyone has to believe in it, and that can't happen for another few thousand years down the road, due to the human beings inbred sense of outperforming the rest. ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #8-1 ****************************