Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest #16-12 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 16, Number 12 Friday, 12 March 1999 Today's Topics: TMBG: Re: More eBay evils?? TMBG: Bustin' the Bootleggers Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. Re: TMBG: Legality of tape trading Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. Non-TMBG: Law-breaking and morality Re: TMBG: This message is not about bootleg trading, profits, and blanks Re: TMBG: non-tmbg: a matter of respect Re: NON-TMBG: Us Newbies Re: TMBG: non-tmbg: a matter of respect Re: NON TMBG: Hitchhiker's news flash! NON-TMBG: Crows are cool birds Re: TMBG: TMBGofftopic@onelist.com Re: TMBG: The Statue Got Me High (was Non-TMBG: 2001) Re: NON-TMBG: Crows are cool birds TMBG: Hitting the Ground Re: TMBG: non-tmbg: a matter of respect Re: non-TMBG: parking meters Re: NON-TMBG: Crows are cool birds Re: TMBG: non-tmbg: a matter of respect TMBG: D&M TMBG: monopuff, sampling, and channel one Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. TMBG: Decatur show 4/22 NON-TMBG: Parking meters Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. TMBG: TMBGofftopic@onelist.com Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. semi-TMBG: radio coincidence? Administrivia: If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing send mail to tmbg-digest-request@tmbg.org for instructions on how to be automatically removed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. --------------------------------------------------------------------- tmbg-list is digested with Digest 3.5b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <36E7B05C.16E3C7D@pacificnet.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:00:33 -0700 From: Bongo Subject: TMBG: Re: More eBay evils?? From: PRMega@aol.com wrote: > I am really getting sick of this kinda thing: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=75752342 > I agree. If you have acsess to a CD burner, CDs can be cheaply mass produced so this person can make some decent cash at TMBG's expense. (As I write this, the minimum bid for this Dial-A-Song bootleg CD is $26.50!) What can be done? Here are some things we can try: 1) Send an email to EBAY asking them what their policy is on advertising illegal bootlegs. 2) Also BAY has a feature that lets you post comment on one of its sellers. We could flood the advertiser with comments saying that he ripped us off and then no one would want to risk doing business with him. ( Of course he could sign up again under a new name.) 3) I think this is the most important one: Inform TMBG's people about this. Imagine if someone were selling bootleg copies of Disney's "A Bug's Life". Disney would be on their ass in a heartbeat. This is really the same thing. I would hope that TMBG would care enough to stop this sort of thing. If they don't, then I guess we shouldn't care either. Maybe this why they are rushing to beat the bootleggers with the MP3 collections. I dunno. -B O N G O [Attachment omitted, unknown MIME type or encoding (text/html)] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <36E7B3DB.B8C0D5E1@pacificnet.net> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 05:15:26 -0700 From: Bongo Subject: TMBG: Bustin' the Bootleggers I just posted about the Dial a Song bootleg CD on Ebay. I didnt notice it before but you can alert Ebay about illegal items in their auctions at ctywatch@ebay.com. In theory, they'll do something about it (though I'm not so sure they will.) I just sent them an email about it. I'll let you know if they respond. -B O N G O ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:25:48 -0600 (CST) From: bill tatalovich Subject: Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Lawrence P Solomon wrote: > Excerpts from internet.music.tmbg: 8-Mar-99 Re: non-TMBG: promo items (.. by > bill tatalovich@cec.wust > > Well hello, Mr. Holier-than-thou. You've never gone over the speed limit > > in your car on purpose? You've never gotten an extra refill of your drink > > when the waitress wasn't looking? You've never done any underage > > drinking? I don't know of anyone that hasn't purposefully broken some law > > no, no, and no. That's amazing. No littering, jaywalking, paying someone else's parking meter, etc.? You're a unique individual, Mr. Solomon...a truly unique individual. >> in their lifetime, merely because they didn't "agree with it" for one >> reason or another. If you stay far away from anyone who's broken a law >> they don't agree with, Mr. Solomon, you won't be standing anywhere near >> anybody. > > that's an absolutely awful (and dangerous) rationale to take. I don't > agree with the "no murder" law, so I'm going to go out and kill people. > Give me a break. Well, as Todd mentioned, there's a little bit of slippery slope logic going on here. So, because I walk across the street somewhere other than an intersection, I am advocating murder? That wasn't even the point of what I was saying in my original post. I am saying that everyone (with the possible exception of Mr. Solomon, apparently) has broken a law at some point, and by refusing to even talk with, or organize a trade with, those people, that a wee bit of hypocrisy is involved. Hence, "holier than thou." And I'm still trying to figure out what's so "dangerous" about my rationale. The Rev np: the humming of the computer |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | Home page: | | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | | wt3@cec.wustl.edu |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | | emogeek@hotmail.com | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:33:19 -0500 (EST) From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: TMBG: Legality of tape trading Excerpts from internet.music.tmbg: 11-Mar-99 Re: TMBG: Legality of tape .. by LimeZinger@aol.com > i don't think .. well.. MOST people who do 2:1 trades, it's not their > motive to rip of the band (although there are plenty who make it a > buisness, along with selling bootlegs) ... people like adam here. my > personal opinion about being anti 2:1 - to be quite honest - is not because > of ripping off the band, but it's because i'm one of those people who hates > asking for people to give me things. heh. I don't think they're necessarily *trying* to rip off the band, but they are *trying* to profit from it. and I'm saying that if their motivation was purely spreading TMBG music around, they wouldn't want a profit - this is my problem with capitalism in general... too many people do things *just* to make money, and I don't agree with that as a primary motivation for anything. the goal is to do something that people want. > it's like saying i don't eat meat because of animal rights, but really > because i just don't like the taste of it. animal rights would just be a > make-me-look-like-a-decent-person excuse to fall back on. but if i liked > the taste, i'd eat it. you know? (and for the record, i do eat some meat. > i was just using that as an example. ) wasn't it A. Whitney Brown who said "I am not a vegetarian because I love animals. I am a vegetarian because I hate plants." > > i mean, if you're against copying something like that... then to follow > your belief system, you should not copy the album for your personal use, > but instead buy another copy for your car or something like that. where am > i going with this? who the hell knows. :) copying for personal use is often necessary, as many things are not produced on tape at all, so I have no option. I'm still not selling them to people. Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ lps@andrew.cmu.edu "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:43:24 -0500 (EST) From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. Excerpts from internet.music.tmbg: 11-Mar-99 Re: non-TMBG: promo items/l.. by bill tatalovich@cec.wust > That's amazing. No littering, jaywalking, paying someone else's parking > meter, etc.? You're a unique individual, Mr. Solomon...a truly unique > individual. paying someone else's parking meter is not illegal - it's just generous. (and I haven't done that, either) but the point is that anything illegal I might have done (speeding, perhaps?) was NOT with the intent of doing something illegal because I disagree with the law. I don't disagree with the law on jaywalking (well, I think it's kind of silly) but I'll still do it if it's convenient and no one is coming. but that's different from breaking a law *because* you disagree with it. Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ lps@andrew.cmu.edu "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990311145434.015b621c@pop-server.austin.rr.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:54:34 -0600 From: Mitchell Harding Subject: Non-TMBG: Law-breaking and morality A lot of people seem to be inherently assuming that breaking the law is morally bad, or even undesirable. Laws and morals are entirely separate, it seems to me. And unless everyone disregards most of the laws, society will function fine even with lawbreakers in it. As for 2:1 tape trades, I don't think the trader is profiting significantly. Yes, they are profiting, but they are also providing a service. I don't see many examples of people asking an insane price for bootlegs, so I don't see what the problem is. If you find it distasteful, don't trade with these people. Unless it is taking money that TMBG could potentially be earning (ie burning copies of albums), then it doesn't seem problematic. Finally, if you don't visit "http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/mitcharf/zodiac.html", then I will be very cross. Harf, Mitch http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/index.html "Whatever is begun in anger ends in shame." - Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311152431.899.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: This message is not about bootleg trading, profits, and blanks Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:24:31 PST Renquist L Hedgeloff wrote: >jayhc, lamenting the fact that he has to get a job Does your son have to go to art school? Is he leaving in three days? -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan (whose TV is talking Spanish) DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311154822.29687.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: non-tmbg: a matter of respect Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:48:18 PST Jen wrote: >> why else? because you've got a >> freekin delete key that isn't that hard to use.... and on top of >> that >> you've got the power my friend. the power to leave. > >yes yes yes. we ALL have the power my friend... we all certainly >do. I don't! Hobgoblins stole my delete key! And I've been cursed by the potato wizard from Idaho, so that I have to remain on this list for all eternity. It happened when we had a fight over a music box. It was shaped like a turnip, and it played "She's An Angle." No, not "She's An Angel." This was a different song, about a guy who was in love with a geometrical concept. We used to share it, until one day, when the wizard took it, and hid it in his evil fortress. I sent John Flansburgh to the fortress to retrieve it, promising to make him a musical superstar if he could take back the music box. John used his super powers to defeat the monsters that the wizard had placed in his fortress, and managed to retrieve the important item. On the way out, however, Flans tripped and hit his head, thereby losing his super powers. He later wrote a song about it. When the wizard learned that I had stolen his music box, and of the deal I had made with Flans, he (the wizard, not Flans) cursed me by permanently subscribing me to the list dedicated to the man that I had made into a great musician (and his friend John Linnell, who didn't receive any help from me). >> ya don't like it? there are plenty of other mediums to get your >> info... >> and if you don't have a direct link to the band... you can always >> try >> the NG or the musings board. Although the newsgroup tends to get just as off-topic as the list, and the musings board, from what I've seen of it, is even MORE off-topic. -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan, who is on spring break (even though it isn't spring), and hasn't checked his e-mail in a while, so he's responding to old messages DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ Now playing: Lullaby To Nightmares Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311155559.15861.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Us Newbies Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:55:51 PST Jen wrote: >in my opinion, i consider people to be regulars once i can >recognize their names and, believe it or not, can possibly make out >their personality. or whatever personality they show to the list. > >like, we all know jordan and her "hoochiness", as she puts it... > >and leffel and his... well... you know. > >and that guy who's not really on the list who's just annoying and >serves no purpose but still periodically posts things and constantly >tries to sell the other listees his sluts has his stupidity... So you consider him to be a regular, even though he's not on the list? On a completely different note, a book about the Spanish Civil War (NOBODY expects the Spanish Civil War (except maybe Salvador Dali)!), which I read for one of my history classes, used both the phrase "whistling in the dark" and the word "reprehensible." The guy who wrote that must have been a TMBG fan! -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan (who thinks that the "finding TMBG references where they obviously weren't intended" thing is probably getting a bit old, but is getting in on it anyway) DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311155838.10420.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: non-tmbg: a matter of respect Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 07:58:38 PST Bob Scott wrote: >AKA Bob "King of not being Mike Leffel" Scott You lie! I'm much better at not being Mike Leffel than you! -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan (Emperor of not being Bob Scott) DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311160551.5561.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: NON TMBG: Hitchhiker's news flash! Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:05:50 PST Bob Scott wrote: >Claire V Gray wrote: > >> Well what about the Dial-A-Song smash hit, 4 of 2 > > There's that, and the fact that 32 Footsteps is only 10 away from >42. ;) Don't forget "She's An Angel" (not to be confused with "She's An Angle," which contains the line "She was only 42 degrees, quite far from obtuse")! If you take twenty thousand million, multiply it by 7, add 14, subtract the product of 7 and 2, multiply the result by 3, divide by 100, and then divide that whole thing by 100 million, you get 42! Coincidence? I think so! >And that whole Elvis reference that's noticed by few, since it >doesn't >really exist in "Why Must I Be Sad" (Replace Alice with Elvis, and it >makes >less sense). > And we can't forget James K. Polk! Who was he? The Johns' manager? Or was he Belgium's famous painter? -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan (who was unsupervised, and had a real good time, until he, he hit his head) DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311161305.12379.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: NON-TMBG: Crows are cool birds Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:13:05 PST Well, they are, aren't they? They have those sleek black feathers, and that cool "caw." Also, some people think that crows are keepers of hidden knowledge. They're also related to ravens and rooks (of Poe and Partridge fame, respectively). Dexter Flansburgh wrote: >You should check it out, cause it's very interesting. And you should >also carry on this thread, so that I can be a celebrity. I don't care >if >it turns into "Non-tmbg: Crows are cool birds" as long as it >continues. -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan (growing up really high, really high, like a really high thing, say the Citgo sign) DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311161736.4112.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBGofftopic@onelist.com Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:17:36 PST Sarah LimeZinger wrote: >aaagh no one listens to me anyway Oh, I'm sorry. Were you saying something? -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan (not only, but especially for the lobsters) DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311162236.23492.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: The Statue Got Me High (was Non-TMBG: 2001) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:22:32 PST Sarah wrote: >>actually "Statue" is based on the opera Don Giovanni (or >>if you will Don Juan) written by...Moliere? did they retire >>this song. i can't remember the last time they played live. >>as for Hal Cragin, he's more of a "Planet of the Apes" kind >>of guy. > >And here i alwaus thought it was just a lovely song about some tripped >out kid..... the statue being the bong he got high from. I'm pretty sure that the Johns have made it clear that "Statue" is not about drugs. Neither is "Sleeping In The Flowers." Of course, They could have been lying, but John said he was finished with lies. >He then >hallucinates that the 'statue' is alive, experiences some physical >pain >from the 'bad' drugs he did, and awakens later to realize that it was >all just a bad drug trip It's NOT a drug trip! I feel a bit insulted. -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan (like a space walk, with the corresponding weight loss, but with no hidden costs) DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:40:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Kirsten L. Brodbeck" Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Crows are cool birds Message-ID: > Well, they are, aren't they? They have those sleek black feathers, and > that cool "caw." Also, some people think that crows are keepers of > hidden knowledge. They're also related to ravens and rooks (of Poe and > Partridge fame, respectively). And they have to be cool, because I'm one... One of my nicknames is Crow. Or Slinkster Crow, if I'm feeling especially playful. :) I like crows a lot.. Kirsten "Tangled in the fallen vines, picking up the punchlines I know I'm faking it..." - Simon & Garfunkel, "Fakin' It" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311172941.648.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:29:41 -0800 (PST) From: KRS Tyler Subject: TMBG: Hitting the Ground Does anyone know about tmbg making a song for the soundtrack to Hitting the Ground. I haven't even heard of the movie. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:33:35 -0600 From: Bob Scott Message-ID: <36E80C7F.66E2AA1B@tmbg.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Subject: Re: TMBG: non-tmbg: a matter of respect Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote: > And I've been cursed by the potato wizard from Idaho, so that I have to > remain on this list for all eternity. Whatever you do, don't anger the potato king... Mr. Fribble doesn't like that! :P bobscott@tmbg.org AKA Bob "So, you're saying you want to ride a magic carpet to the kingdom of the Potato King? And you think I'm crazy?" Scott - who can't quote something he hasn't seen for 6 months... ------------------------------ From: Matt James Message-Id: <199903111846.NAA15201@fellspt.charm.net> Subject: Re: non-TMBG: parking meters Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:46:57 -0500 (EST) > paying someone else's parking meter is not illegal - it's just generous. > (and I haven't done that, either) There was a lady who was arrested for paying other people's meters in this country. I never found out if she was convicted, has anyone heard about this? I think it happened within the past year. -Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:48:45 -0600 From: Bob Scott Message-ID: <36E8100D.934E5F16@tmbg.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Crows are cool birds Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote: > Well, they are, aren't they? They have those sleek black feathers, and > that cool "caw." Also, some people think that crows are keepers of > hidden knowledge. They're also related to ravens and rooks (of Poe and > Partridge fame, respectively). I have two words to add to this thread. But because I can't just post a message of 2 words, I plan to put things on top of other things as I have in years gone by. Such a productive life to put things on top of other things... Oh, the crow thing - Those of you who have watched MST3K may recall a certain character named Crow (though I don't...) who once sang a song about a buzzard, a bobbin buzzard, caw caw caw... Actually, I prefer Joey the Lemur or Nummy Muffin Cocoa Butter, but that's just me. bobscott@tmbg.org AKA Bob "We've wasted our lives!!!" Scott -And on a happier note, Salvador Dali can't expect anything... He's bleeding demised! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002901be6bf2$5a3da680$aab3a4c1@squid> From: "Uncle Squid" Subject: Re: TMBG: non-tmbg: a matter of respect Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:06:48 -0000 >> And I've been cursed by the potato wizard from Idaho, so that I have to >> remain on this list for all eternity. > >Whatever you do, don't anger the potato king... Mr. Fribble doesn't like >that! :P *Uncle Squid fries Bob alive with his hex-vision* >bobscott@tmbg.org >AKA Bob "So, you're saying you want to ride a magic carpet to the kingdom of >the Potato King? And you think I'm crazy?" Scott - who can't quote something >he hasn't seen for 6 months... Uncle "So you want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people, and to plead with him for your freedom?" Squid - Who knows the scripts back to front (or the right way around on the parallel Earth) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990311201615.5926.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Jason Fickley" Subject: TMBG: D&M Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 12:16:15 PST Can someone please direct me to an mp3 of Dark and Metric???? --Jason-- Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: filthyscarecrow@webtv.net Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 16:52:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: TMBG: monopuff, sampling, and channel one Message-ID: <21174-36E83B0D-2621@mailtod-121.bryant.webtv.net> hi. any high scholl students out there? did any of you channel one watchers notice that the song that was being played during the pop quiz had the same sample in it as "dedicated" does, about 9 seconds in to it? well, it was. thats all. ill be over there in my snail shell. "your name is colin. so when i shout, "up, colin!" i want you, colin, to go up. okay? up, colin!" -ford prefect ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:48:15 -0500 Subject: Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. Message-ID: <19990218.214819.2670.2.Phone_Book@juno.com> From: Renquist L Hedgeloff On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 09:43:24 -0500 (EST) Lawrence P Solomon writes: > >paying someone else's parking meter is not illegal - it's just >generous. >(and I haven't done that, either) Actually, Mr. Solomon, it is: some news magazine recently did a story on prosecuting such crimes, if I'm not mistaken. And they can be prosecuted--especially in Cincinnati, where it's been done. Heh. peace, love, and good happiness stuff, jay. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <36E84869.6A8DE531@sevenlands.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:49:13 -0500 From: carlyn nugent Subject: TMBG: Decatur show 4/22 According to tmbg.com, they will be playing at Milliken University on 4/22/99. That's only a four hour drive for me, so I'd like to get more info. Anybody know anything? I've already investigated the University's web site thoroughly...nothing there... Thanks in advance for any info you can provide. CN ~~ "I am not tetchy!" ------------------------------ From: Matt James Message-Id: <199903112300.SAA22032@fellspt.charm.net> Subject: NON-TMBG: Parking meters Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:00:36 -0500 (EST) My take on the arrests for paying someone's parking meter deals with one person spending time at one parking meter. While it seems silly to bust someone for giving the city government more money, it seems that it has to do more with fairness. Often, meters display a short amount of time that you may park there at any one given time. i.e. you can only put up to 1 hours worth of quarters in the meter until you come back. While some people are able to come back, I'm sure the police expects most people not to have time to go and come back just to fill the meter and go back again. If every good samaratin came along to fill a guy's meter nobody else would ever get to have that spot. Parking can be a bitch in the city! -Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 19:22:13 -0600 (CST) From: bill tatalovich Subject: Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Lawrence P Solomon wrote: > paying someone else's parking meter is not illegal - it's just generous. > (and I haven't done that, either) I won't touch this part, as multiple people have already mentioned that it is, indeed, illegal to do that. > but the point is that anything illegal I might have done (speeding, > perhaps?) was NOT with the intent of doing something illegal because I > disagree with the law. I don't disagree with the law on jaywalking > (well, I think it's kind of silly) but I'll still do it if it's > convenient and no one is coming. but that's different from breaking a > law *because* you disagree with it. Again, my words are being misconstrued (although I can really see why...I was being a bit vague). What I meant--man, all of my posts seem to have those three words in them--was that many many people break a law not because they say, "Hey, I disagree with that law, so let's go break it." Instead, these people break the law because, well, they don't give a shit. They don't give the law any credence, and are thus not afraid to break that law. And everyone does that, with some law...some people do 2:1 trades (and I'm still not making any judgements on this issue) even though I suppose it is technically illegal. Some people make and sell bootlegged copies of, say, the Dial-a-Song tapes. And our own Mr. Solomon breaks the jaywalking law...and it's good to see that he is thus human as a result (okay, if you don't realize that's a joke, or a sorry attempt at one, then just delete this now, okay?). You know what? I forgot why we even started talking about this. Sigh. The Rev np: Sunny Day Real Estate--How It Feels to Be Something On |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Reverend Bill Tatalovich | Home page: | | | http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~wt3/ | | wt3@cec.wustl.edu |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | personnel@kwur.wustl.edu | | emogeek@hotmail.com | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: GhostKrabb@webtv.net (Dexter Flansburgh) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 18:32:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: TMBG: TMBGofftopic@onelist.com Message-ID: <29939-36E87CAB-2321@mailtod-242.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Well, I was surprised to see that some people actually joined my list of off topic discussion. It may be only 3, but hey, ya gotta start somewhere. So anyway, I'd like to thank Bongo & Jim Kuemmerle (forgive me if I spelled it wrong). The 3rd person I'm yet to know the true identitiy off though. Anyway, I hope that some more of you decide to give TMBGofftopic a try, cause we do have some nice conversations over there. Remember, it's at onelist So stop on by, cause you're always welcome. me, Dexburger ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 22:38:23 -0500 (EST) From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: non-TMBG: promo items/laws, etc. Excerpts from internet.music.tmbg: 11-Mar-99 Re: non-TMBG: promo items/l.. by bill tatalovich@cec.wust > Again, my words are being misconstrued (although I can really see why...I > was being a bit vague). What I meant--man, all of my posts seem to have > those three words in them--was that many many people break a law not > because they say, "Hey, I disagree with that law, so let's go break it." > Instead, these people break the law because, well, they don't give a shit. > They don't give the law any credence, and are thus not afraid to break > that law. And everyone does that, with some law...some people do 2:1 > trades (and I'm still not making any judgements on this issue) even though > I suppose it is technically illegal. Some people make and sell bootlegged > copies of, say, the Dial-a-Song tapes. And our own Mr. Solomon breaks the > jaywalking law...and it's good to see that he is thus human as a result > (okay, if you don't realize that's a joke, or a sorry attempt at one, then > just delete this now, okay?). but that's not even relevant to what we were discussing! I was responding to Adam's claim that the way to deal with laws you disagree with is to not follow them. I'm not even talking about the people who don't care - I'm talking about the people who do care, and care to break the law. Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ lps@andrew.cmu.edu "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:33:24 EST From: not knowing knowledge never ennobled Message-ID: <009D4FA0.05476660.95@kenyon.edu> Subject: semi-TMBG: radio coincidence? hello all. today, i was driving my car. when driving my car, i often choose to partake in some radio entertainment. i listened for a while, then noticed a strange coincidence (or...maybe not a coincidence at all...) had occurred. the DJ played the new rob zombie song "living dead girl," immediately followed by a song called "my own worst enemy"! so....either the DJ has been listening to a little factory showroom, or TMBG's influence is spreading far and wide... by the way, i have actually been lurking on this list for nearly three years now. i've never introduced myself. i've also never used this address before. so, i'm not really new at all, but you can treat me like i am. becky ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #16-12 ******************************