Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest #29-11 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 29, Number 11 Thursday, 11 May 2000 Today's Topics: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #29-10 Re: TMBG: Napster NON-TMBG: Metallica, Napster TMBG: Random TMBG Thought of the Day Re: TMBG: Napster... Administrivia: If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing send mail to tmbg-digest-request@tmbg.org for instructions on how to be automatically removed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. --------------------------------------------------------------------- tmbg-list is digested with Digest 3.5b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ASRTrain@aol.com Message-ID: <36.5b18886.264a65ca@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 03:12:10 EDT Subject: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #29-10 I've never really said anything on this list...but now I have something to say about Napster. I have been a moderator in their chat rooms, getting the inside scoop on everything that has been going down up until a few weeks ago. I was kicked off as a moderator for apparently some reason...but I was never told why. I never did anything wrong...anyway...my point is, the RIAA has been suing Napster for months and nothing has come of it. They say Napster is a gateway to transfer of illegal MP3's. Here's where the disclaimer comes in. Napster says they represent no illegal downloading whatsoever. All copyright laws are our responsibility. What gets me is that Metallica is suing. They used to be so cool. What the hell ever happened to the Metallica of the 80's? Whatever happened to the Black Album Metallica? This lawsuit against Napster is gonna be crap. The guy who made Napster, a man named Sean last name with held was a college student. He moved to California soon after creating this program (I think...he may still be in Virginia, but I know the main company is in Cali). After creating Napster he dropped out of college. When he made this program he had no idea this would come of it...all the users, all the lawsuits, all the bitching, moaning and complaining. I guess it was always in the back of his mind, but he never thought it would happen. Now, since Napster is a non-profit organization, he makes no money from it. A non-profit company isn't gonna be able to pay or give much of anything to a huge band like Metallica or a giant organization like the RIAA. So download at your own pace. Nothing is gonna happen to Napster. There have been no copyright infringements by Napster...only by us. If you have any Metallica (or Dr. Dre...he's getting names, too) either get rid of it or unshare it. I doubt any of you do, b/c you have good taste in music, since you like TMBG. Ok, I'm done raving. You'll hear from me again. -Ryan z::GOANS::z ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20000510125807.18962.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:58:07 GMT Ryan: >They say Napster >is a gateway to transfer of illegal MP3's. Here's where the disclaimer >comes >in. Napster says they represent no illegal downloading whatsoever. All >copyright laws are our responsibility. Exactly. It's like suing the sporting goods store if someone beats someone else with a baseball bat. Or suing the post office because someone used it to mail illegal material. -- Eat your broccoli, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20000510141029.94038.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Crazy Sniffable" Subject: NON-TMBG: Metallica, Napster Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:10:28 GMT The whole bit about Napster and the Metallica lawsuit is featured on Slashdot (News For Nerds, Suff that Matters) http://www.slashdot.org, or in these articles: http://slashdot.org/articles/00/05/08/107227.shtml (about NetPD their tracker) http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/03/1110232&mode=thread http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/02/0948200&mode=thread ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 2000 07:41:40 -0800 Message-ID: <-1254177998ggr@wlg.com> From: Bongo Subject: TMBG: Random TMBG Thought of the Day Have you noticed that Malcolm has been wearing what we used to call a "Linnell shirt" a lot recently. It's a long sleeve dark purple shirt with horizontal stripes. Linnell wore one very similar at the first TMBG show that I saw. In the old days of Sesame Street, some of the the more generic Mupptets wore similar shirts. Thank you for using my Dial-A-Random-TMBG-Thought service. -B O N G O ------------------------------ Message-Id: <391A10BE.33E00CDA@tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:45:34 -0500 From: Matthew Schempp Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster... MikeTheGiant@aol.com wrote: > Something else I just thought of: Legally, you are allowed to download > anything off of the internet (mp3's, games for an emulator, and the such), if > you own the file/game/cd that has that game/song as a backup to the original. > This does not just mean if you have it. If you ever had it, you are allowed > to download it. How can they prove that at one time you did or did not own a > copy of that game/song? Actually that's not quite true...the way the fair use law works is that you can put mp3s up for archical purposes, but if it isn't a copy of the exact same song that you own (in other words, a copy off of your CD), then it's not legal. This has huge connotations in ROMS, buit I don't think it effects mp3s at all, since most copies are 100% identical...so it's splitting fine hairs but... I haven't used Napster (sometimes a 36kb connection has its bad points...) so I'm not familiar with how it works, but you don't people just start labeling every song they own as a Metallica song? That'll piss the buggers off... Discordianally yours... MadS ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #29-11 ******************************