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tmbg-list Digest, Volume 40, Number 4
Thursday, 5 April 2001
Topics:
TMBG: Mystery message!!
Re: TMBG: Mystery message!!
Re:TMBG: Re: McSweeney's #6
TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #40-3
Re:TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #40-3
Re: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #40-3
TMBG: Napster
Re: TMBG: Napster
Re: TMBG: Napster
RE: TMBG: Napster
TMBG: Re: Napster
Re: TMBG: Re: Napster
TMBG: Dear CyberAge User ! New Adilt Website Has Been Started !
Re: TMBG: Dear CyberAge User ! New Adilt Website Has Been Started !
Re: TMBG: Napster
Re: TMBG: Napster
TMBG: Dear UnderAge Child ! New Fun Website Has Been Started !
Re: TMBG: Napster
Re: TMBG: Napster
Re: TMBG: Napster
Re: TMBG: Napster
Re: TMBG: Napster
Re: TMBG: Napster
TMBG: Oranges download
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:17:57 -0700
From: "Erich Cannon"
Subject: TMBG: Mystery message!!
Message-ID:
For you unlimited subscribers listen to the very very end of the chopping
block testimonial and turn it way up cause somoeone says something and i
cant tell what it is.....maybe YOU can. LISTEN!
Erich
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 02:50:44 EDT
From: HallOfEyes@aol.com
Subject: Re: TMBG: Mystery message!!
Message-ID: <8e.13712571.27fc1e44@aol.com>
> For you unlimited subscribers listen to the very very end of the chopping
> block testimonial and turn it way up cause somoeone says something and i
> cant tell what it is.....maybe YOU can. LISTEN!
Wow thats interesting...Its definitely flansburgh, but i cant make it out.
Also has anyone else noticed how similar the melody of "Oranges, oranges,
oranges and graphic design..." is to "Near...far....whereEVER you are..."
Ok thats it.
Jordan
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:15:52 EDT
From: GoodOmenz@aol.com
Subject: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #40-3
Message-ID:
hello again from ireland! where the cows are dead and the men are... bored?
lessee, the elegant two are a production team/band made up of the almighty guitarist Chris Maxwell (formerly of the incomporable SKELETON KEY) and phil hernandez (AKA DJ ***** sometimes of the oft confusing MONOPUFF or the yellow devo-suited FLUX INFORMATION SCIENCES.) their live shows are really special since phil plays drums and samplers at the same damn time and chris can dance like beck and play like chuck barry on crack, again, AT THE SAME TIME. they have an album and they also produced the last boss hog record, i believe.
on a radio show TMBG did once with vin scelca (a local radio personality whose daughter goes to my school and heads up the campus radio crew... ah, what a vicious circle life is!) vin, in his special way, went into a 10+ minute digression comparing the end of How Can I Sing Like A Girl to telstar and, i believe, flans-o agreed with him. then they talked abotu zima vs. xena. the only reason i remember any of this is cuz i was studying for some test and trying to listen to the radio AT THE SAME TIME. cant remmeber if i passed the test
missing tmbg, my mom and... bagels*
liz
"Everything in us resembles god... except for one thing"
-Gogol Bordello
*also missing david byrne in london cuz im flying to paris the same day... god, life just SUCKS sometimes... anyone else totally psyched for The Bug-Eye'd One's latest effort, out in may? "I want to make people dance and cry at the same time", he says... a bunch of weepy eyed clubbers, can't wait!!
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:30:28 -0500
From:
Subject: Re:TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #40-3
Message-ID: <0104049863.AA986394632@smtplink.sterl.com>
Liz sez:
>and chris can dance like beck and play like chuck barry on crack,
Is that Chuck Berry, or Chuck Barris??
You may have to be old like me to get that one...
Karin H
** FREE THE EXPO 67 **
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:42:49 -0400
From: "Yer Pal Paul"
Subject: Re: Re:TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #40-3
Message-ID: <9afbtd$27v5$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org>
Organization: Nuns in Bondage
karinh@sterl.com wrote in message
<0104049863.AA986394632@smtplink.sterl.com>...
>Liz sez:
>
>>and chris can dance like beck and play like chuck barry on crack,
>
>Is that Chuck Berry, or Chuck Barris??
>You may have to be old like me to get that one...
Unknown Comic: Hey Chucky-Baby, What's the difference between toilet paper
and a shower curtain?
Chuck Barris: Umm..I don't know.
Unknown Comic: Hey Everybody! I found the guy that messed up the shower
curtain!
That Chuck Barris?
Hi John and John.
Yer Pal Paul
Not back on that old Time is Money kick, still on it.
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:37:03 -0400
From: "Tim Clark"
Subject: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID: <001401c0bd25$7b7e7aa0$24213118@wch.adelphia.net>
Has it been mentioned that "they might be giants" does not bring up any
results on napster anymore? Why would the RIAA want to ban Them??
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:10:29 -0400
From: Matthew Krolak
Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID: <3ACB5585.5F4D6D5A@stompbox.dhs.org>
RIAA doesn't want to ban TMBG per se, in the grand scheme of things,
they want to ban anything and everything musical from such peer to peer
networks. Unfortunately this seems to be entirely unrelated to the
legality of music distribution in relation to copyright issues, fair use
of copyrighted material, or space shifting. Rather, as RIAA has the
interests of the largest music distributors in mind, they see Napster
and other peer to peer networks as a viable challenge to the current
music distribution channels (cds, stores, etc.) So, the whole legal
battle really transcends copyright law, what is far, or even which
method is better. The real issue here seems to be control. RIAA has in
effect been trying to shut Napster down because it's popular and
effecting, but mostly because RIAA doesn't have control over it. I think
that issue of control over distribution channels is exactly the issue
here, the rest is a very influential company throwing around its weight
to eliminate a potential competitor.
That's my $0.03 (inflation adjusted.)
> Tim Clark wrote:
>
> Has it been mentioned that "they might be giants" does not bring up
> any results on napster anymore? Why would the RIAA want to ban Them??
--
I Bet You're Flying Inside
--------------------------
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http://stompbox.dhs.org
The bells are pealing and they're revealing the simple
key to happiness. It isn't evil, it isn't good, it's only
what the people miss. - They Might Be Giants
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:22:32 -0400
From: "Kristin ."
Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID:
You seem to find plenty of stuff if you search for "TMBG", though...
>From: "Tim Clark"
>Reply-To: "Tim Clark"
>To: "That Darn List"
>Subject: TMBG: Napster
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:37:03 -0400
>
>Has it been mentioned that "they might be giants" does not bring up any
>results on napster anymore? Why would the RIAA want to ban Them??
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:28:39 -0400
From: "AugieWan"
Subject: RE: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID:
BUT, the only names that Napster is blocking right now are the names given
to them officially by the RIAA. That means that they (the RIAA) added "they
might be giants" to the list...
Augie "the RIAA is EVIL!!!" Wan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org [mailto:owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org]On
Behalf Of Matthew Krolak
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:10 PM
To: Tim Clark
Cc: That Darn List
Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster
RIAA doesn't want to ban TMBG per se, in the grand scheme of things,
they want to ban anything and everything musical from such peer to peer
networks. Unfortunately this seems to be entirely unrelated to the
legality of music distribution in relation to copyright issues, fair use
of copyrighted material, or space shifting. Rather, as RIAA has the
interests of the largest music distributors in mind, they see Napster
and other peer to peer networks as a viable challenge to the current
music distribution channels (cds, stores, etc.) So, the whole legal
battle really transcends copyright law, what is far, or even which
method is better. The real issue here seems to be control. RIAA has in
effect been trying to shut Napster down because it's popular and
effecting, but mostly because RIAA doesn't have control over it. I think
that issue of control over distribution channels is exactly the issue
here, the rest is a very influential company throwing around its weight
to eliminate a potential competitor.
That's my $0.03 (inflation adjusted.)
> Tim Clark wrote:
>
> Has it been mentioned that "they might be giants" does not bring up
> any results on napster anymore? Why would the RIAA want to ban Them??
--
I Bet You're Flying Inside
--------------------------
Matthew KrolakÁ Á
Geek Code block: http://stompbox.dhs.org/~notplaid/gcb.txt
http://stompbox.dhs.org
The bells are pealing and they're revealing the simple
key to happiness. It isn't evil, it isn't good, it's only
what the people miss. - They Might Be Giants
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:26:25 -0400
From: "Jon"
Subject: TMBG: Re: Napster
Message-ID: <005b01c0bd2c$60fedce0$10450241@wall1.pa.home.com>
"They Might Be Giants" have been blocked from Napster, but not "TMBG."
You think they would have blocked "TMBG," seeing as how it a rather obvious
alternative to "They Might Be Giants." Oh well, im not complaining.
JenkiJon
~"For the first time, in that night alive with signs and stars, I opened
myself to the gentle indifference of the world."~ Albert Camus
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Clark
To: That Darn List
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:37 PM
Subject: TMBG: Napster
Has it been mentioned that "they might be giants" does not bring up any
results on napster anymore? Why would the RIAA want to ban Them??
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 13:11:08 -0500
From: Mitch Harding
Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Napster
Message-ID: <3ACB63BC.969F8013@tmbg.org>
Yes, but you've got to imagine the number of band names they had to
submit. Sure, it's obvious if you're just looking at this one band, but
they don't have the resources to examine every band name and find the
obvious alternatives. They may take the time to do that for the most
pirated bands, but I doubt they'd devote significant time or energy to
coming up with alternatives for bands like TMBG.
Mitch!
www.mitcharf.com
Jon wrote:
> You think they would have blocked "TMBG," seeing as how it a rather
> obvious alternative to "They Might Be Giants." Oh well, im not
> complaining.
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:18:58 EDT
From: Kaylum@aol.com
Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID: <55.138a92b0.27fccda2@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/4/2001 1:32:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
augiewan@thespeakeasy.com writes:
> BUT, the only names that Napster is blocking right now are the names given
> to them officially by the RIAA. That means that they (the RIAA) added "they
> might be giants" to the list...
>
>
I admit I'm a tad hypocritial when it comes to Napster. Yes, I have used it
for hard or impossible to find stuff, but as a rather protective fan, I have
NO problem with people not being able to steal TMBG's work, especially the
Unlimited stuff.
Kay
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:25:10 -0400
From: lawrence solomon
Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID: <3ACBAD56.5C4E5682@fruhead.com>
> Tim Clark wrote:
> Has it been mentioned that "they might be giants" does not bring up any
> results on napster anymore? Why would the RIAA want to ban Them??
well, "TMBG," "They Might B Giants," and many other combinations are still
available.
as for why the RIAA would want to ban Them, well, the RIAA is a bunch of stuck
up fascist pigs who don't believe in freedom and want to rule the music world
with an iron fist and make sure that no one hears what they don't consider
appropriate (i.e. won't make millions of dollars for the high up record execs)
since Napster is a threat to their totalitarian rule, they don't like it. The
RIAA people hate anything that is good for music because everything they do is
in the interest of making as huge a profit as they can. they don't even care
about entertainment. just profit. and Napster may not directly hurt that,
but it'll cause people to listen to the music they want to listen to, rather
than the music the record companies want them to listen to. and that's
obviously a horrible thing because freedom is bad and must be stamped out at
all costs.
--
lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com
"I stole your hat and I hanged your cat, so tell me how you love me now."
Á ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ Á -Moxy Fryvous
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 19:35:25 EDT
From: EmarZero@aol.com
Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID: <71.c28714f.27fd09bd@aol.com>
In a message dated 4/4/01 7:31:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zaph@fruhead.com
writes:
> The
> RIAA people hate anything that is good for music because everything they do
> is
> in the interest of making as huge a profit as they can. they don't even
> care
> about entertainment. just profit. and Napster may not directly hurt that,
> but it'll cause people to listen to the music they want to listen to, rather
> than the music the record companies want them to listen to. and that's
> obviously a horrible thing because freedom is bad and must be stamped out at
>
Gee. Tell us how you REALLY feel.
-HX
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:50:48 -0400
From: lawrence solomon
Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID: <3ACBC168.EF712B97@fruhead.com>
Colleen Anne McClanahan wrote:
>
> Well, regardless, they own the rights to the music, which they obtained
> legally. It's their right to legally protect their ownership. Whether or
but see, there's the problem. the RIAA has stolen what the artists should
rightfully own. artists make nothing for their recordings. and frankly, I'm
proud to steal from the RIAA, because of the way they exploit artists for
their own evil gain.
if the artists had any control at all over their own material, I would maybe
think twice. but basically, the RIAA is screwing them more than I would be if
I *didn't* own the CDs. (I actually own the CDs of 99% of my mp3s)
> not I LIKE the recording industry is a different matter... I think the fact
> truly worthy bands don't get exposure is very unfortunate. If you wrote a
> book, and it was published, and your only means of support, wouldn't you
> want to stamp out someone else Xeroxing it and selling it without you being
> monetarily rewarded for YOUR effort?
no one is selling the mp3s, though. and with books, I'm sure there's a
similar problem of the publishing industry screwing authors. maybe not to the
extent the music industry screws musicians, but wherever there's some massive
corporate control over something that should be about the art and not about
the money, the artists lose, and in the end, the people who appreciate it
lose, too.
I mean, why should a record company exec make money for something he had
nothing at all to do with?
--
lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com
"I stole your hat and I hanged your cat, so tell me how you love me now."
Á ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ Á -Moxy Fryvous
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Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:01:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Keeler
Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, lawrence solomon wrote:
> Colleen Anne McClanahan wrote:
> >
> > Well, regardless, they own the rights to the music, which they obtained
> > legally. It's their right to legally protect their ownership. Whether or
>
> but see, there's the problem. the RIAA has stolen what the artists should
> rightfully own. artists make nothing for their recordings. and frankly, I'm
> proud to steal from the RIAA, because of the way they exploit artists for
> their own evil gain.
Stolen? oh, please.
Nefarious, sneaky bastards? Maybe (never met anyone in the RIAA,
myself). But you're making yourself sound like a fool. They don't get any
more than the artists agree to give them. Admittedly, I've never entered
contract negotiations for a record deal, but I somehow doubt there are any
guns pointed at anyone's head.
Oh. and you're *proud* to steal from the RIAA? that's great. how about
you try and find a way to do it /without/ stealing from the artists (yes,
the whole $.05)? I don't think it counts as "political activism" when you
anonymously download songs from your bedroom. I assume (though it may get
me in trouble) that you've yet to write a clear, professional letter to
them stating your opinion, nor picketed their offices, nor offered any
artists a better deal for that matter.
Anyway. I'm not trying to say I'm any better than you. Just trying to
say that you're making yourself sound like a clown.
Á Á--kevin
yes, the kevin who only seems to post when he's jumping on someone's back.
and, yes, the kevin who fell for the April Fool's joke.
woops .. one more comment of mine below.
>
> if the artists had any control at all over their own material, I would maybe
> think twice. but basically, the RIAA is screwing them more than I would be if
> I *didn't* own the CDs. (I actually own the CDs of 99% of my mp3s)
>
> > not I LIKE the recording industry is a different matter... I think the fact
> > truly worthy bands don't get exposure is very unfortunate. If you wrote a
> > book, and it was published, and your only means of support, wouldn't you
> > want to stamp out someone else Xeroxing it and selling it without you being
> > monetarily rewarded for YOUR effort?
>
> no one is selling the mp3s, though. and with books, I'm sure there's a
> similar problem of the publishing industry screwing authors. maybe not to the
> extent the music industry screws musicians, but wherever there's some massive
> corporate control over something that should be about the art and not about
> the money, the artists lose, and in the end, the people who appreciate it
> lose, too.
Art can only be free when artists want to provide it for free. those that
wish to, do. those that don't, don't.
>
> I mean, why should a record company exec make money for something he had
> nothing at all to do with?
> --
> lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com
> "I stole your hat and I hanged your cat, so tell me how you love me now."
> Á ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ ÁÁ Á -Moxy Fryvous
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 23:34:23 -0400
From: Matthew Krolak
Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster
Message-ID: <3ACBE7BF.B1AA9F85@stompbox.dhs.org>
And does not having a gun pointed make what the recording industry is
doing fair? Just as you say that you've never entered contract
negotiations, I also don't suppose you've ever tried to press your own
cds, advertise your group, get your material in radio rotation, arrange
tours for yourself, find your own legal council, and countless other
things which bands require and record companies provide (and that's not
even counting making your music!) Under traditional distribution
menthods, all of these things are necessary, and I don't think that I
need to point out that the vast vast majority of the companies who
provide these services fall under the umbrella of the RIAA. So you can
see, in much the same way as the big car companies treated workers
unfairly (and arguably without guns), artists with very few other
options can be treated just as unfairly.
Kevin Keeler wrote:
> They don't get any more than the artists agree to give them.
> Admittedly, I've never entered contract negotiations for a record
> deal, but I somehow doubt there are any guns pointed at anyone's
> head.
--
I Bet You're Flying Inside
--------------------------
Matthew KrolakÁ Á
Geek Code block: http://stompbox.dhs.org/~notplaid/gcb.txt
http://stompbox.dhs.org
The bells are pealing and they're revealing the simple
key to happiness. It isn't evil, it isn't good, it's only
what the people miss. - They Might Be Giants
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:15:06 -0600
From: Chris Nuccitelli
Subject: TMBG: Oranges download
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010404221039.00a84b38@pop.slkc.qwest.net>
I noticed that if you go to http://www.choppingblock.com/ you can download
"Oranges", one of this month's UnLtd tracks.... Just look for the li'l
birdie in the lower left of the popup window and click on "download
mp3". Thought that might be of interest to non-UnLtd subscribers who
haven't heard the track.
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