Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest, Volume 40, Number 5 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 40, Number 5 Friday, 6 April 2001 Topics: TMBG: rare TMBG stuff on eBay - ends Thurs nite Re: TMBG: Napster Re: TMBG: Napster Re: TMBG: Napster TMBG: Flans's Secret Message to Mankind Re:TMBG: Dear UnderAge Child ! New Fun Website Has Been Star Re: TMBG: Educational TMBG Songs Re: TMBG: Oldest song Re: TMBG: Dear UnderAge Child ! New Fun Website Has Been Started ! Re: TMBG: Oldest song TMBG: They in Stuff Magazine Re: TMBG: Educational TMBG Songs Re: TMBG: Educational TMBG Songs Administrivia: For all administrative issues, such as change of address, withdrawal from the list, etc., send a message to the following address: ÁÁowner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. tmbg-list is compiled with Digest 3.7b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:46:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "O.K. Robot" Subject: TMBG: rare TMBG stuff on eBay - ends Thurs nite Message-ID: <20010405064636.74433.qmail@web13303.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry for the commercial announcement, but I suppose it's of interest to at least a few of you.. These auctions end Thursday (4/5) nite: 1)mint sealed TMBG 1st lp on Bar None: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1419798503&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=986532110&indexURL=0&rd=1 2)mint sealed TMBG "Live NYC 10/14/94" cd (26 tracks - not the cd-ep): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1419802682&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=986533657&indexURL=0&rd=1 3)mint (but opened) Hello Recording Club 1993 Sampler cd: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1419805783&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=986535109&indexURL=0&rd=1 Thanks for reading! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:01:32 -0500 From: Mitch Harding Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster Message-ID: <3ACC88CC.B89F8DAF@tmbg.org> Colleen Anne McClanahan wrote: > Either way, it's not your right to obtain something that was taken from > someone else without their permission. They're not infringing on you, but > you're infringing on them by taking their music without providing them > compensation. I agree. I've used Napster, but I do so with the full knowledge that most of my use is illegal. I don't lose much sleep over it, as Napster has resulted in me buying far more CDs than I otherwise would have...but I don't deny that I'm breaking the law, and that the RIAA is acting within their rights. > Or maybe I'm just annoyed that I went to make pudding and I was over a cup > short. Grr. Now I have a bunch of useless tapioca pudding mix in a pan on > the stove. Once I ran into this same problem. At first I was annoyed. Then annoyed became discouraged, hastening on to dismayed, finally settling upon despondant. But there is hope! When life gives you useless tapioca pudding mix, make lemonade! It won't taste very lemony, but no plan is without flaws. Mitch! www.mitcharf.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:08:24 -0500 From: Mitch Harding Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster Message-ID: <3ACC8A68.920398E3@tmbg.org> True, without a record company, a band is going to have a muc harder time. But there are many record companies out there. If a band elects to sign with one of the big ones, then of course there will be trade-offs. Their contract probably won't be as equitable, but they'll likely get better exposure, and they'll be dealing with an established company. On the other hand, the band could search for a smaller company that will offer them a "fairer" deal. They won't get the same level of exposure, and they'll probably lack a lot of the nice things that the large companies can offer...but you get what you pay for. I don't like the situation, but I don't think the bands are being screwed. Certainly not any more than artists ever have been. I haven't done any studies, but I'll bet that it's easier to make a living as an artist in America today than it has ever been before in history. In the past, artists had to find patrons in order to make a living at it. That couldn't have been much easier than pressing your own CDs, advertising your group, getting your material in radio rotation, etc. Mitch! www.mitcharf.com Matthew Krolak wrote: > And does not having a gun pointed make what the recording industry is > doing fair? Just as you say that you've never entered contract > negotiations, I also don't suppose you've ever tried to press your own > cds, advertise your group, get your material in radio rotation, arrange > tours for yourself, find your own legal council, and countless other > things which bands require and record companies provide (and that's not > even counting making your music!) Under traditional distribution > menthods, all of these things are necessary, and I don't think that I > need to point out that the vast vast majority of the companies who > provide these services fall under the umbrella of the RIAA. So you can > see, in much the same way as the big car companies treated workers > unfairly (and arguably without guns), artists with very few other > options can be treated just as unfairly. > > Kevin Keeler wrote: > > They don't get any more than the artists agree to give them. > > Admittedly, I've never entered contract negotiations for a record > > deal, but I somehow doubt there are any guns pointed at anyone's > > head. > > -- > I Bet You're Flying Inside > -------------------------- > Matthew Krolak > Geek Code block: http://stompbox.dhs.org/~notplaid/gcb.txt > http://stompbox.dhs.org > The bells are pealing and they're revealing the simple > key to happiness. It isn't evil, it isn't good, it's only > what the people miss. - They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:40:38 -0400 From: "Colleen Anne McClanahan" Subject: Re: TMBG: Napster Message-ID: <006401c0bde6$c3b91bb0$2d3091d0@consolidate.internal.maxweb.com> Mitch Harding wrote: | Colleen Anne McClanahan wrote: | > Either way, it's not your right to obtain something that was taken from | > someone else without their permission. They're not infringing on you, but | > you're infringing on them by taking their music without providing them | > compensation. | | I agree. I've used Napster, but I do so with the full knowledge that | most of my use is illegal. I don't lose much sleep over it, as Napster | has resulted in me buying far more CDs than I otherwise would have...but | I don't deny that I'm breaking the law, and that the RIAA is acting | within their rights. *nods* Exactly. I'm not claiming I'm perfect... I look upon it the same way I do speeding. I do it knowingly, but if I pass a policeman who pulls me over (like happened in November), I'm not going to berate the cop for doing his duty. I was doing something wrong, and I knew it as I did it. There are worse crimes, but a speed limit is there for a reason, as is the RIAA. To protect artists' interests (and to make a hefty profit). Like it or not, that's the way life is, and stealing to be morally superior seems... not very moral. Two wrongs do not make a right. If artists really wanted their stuff to be available for free, there are ways of making that happen outside of Napster (Emusic has offered several free TMBG tracks). If an artist intentionally does NOT want their music available for free download outside their realm of control (which I think is the case with many artists whose names have been banned from Napster), that's their perogative. | > Or maybe I'm just annoyed that I went to make pudding and I was over a cup | > short. Grr. Now I have a bunch of useless tapioca pudding mix in a pan on | > the stove. | | Once I ran into this same problem. At first I was annoyed. Then | annoyed became discouraged, hastening on to dismayed, finally settling | upon despondant. But there is hope! When life gives you useless | tapioca pudding mix, make lemonade! It won't taste very lemony, but no | plan is without flaws. Instead of making lemonade with the dry pudding mix, I think I'll go to the store later and buy some milk. Now LEMON pudding, I might consider adding just water. Ok, no I wouldn't. But I digress.... Colleen Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:18:45 From: "John Ferrer" Subject: TMBG: Flans's Secret Message to Mankind Message-ID: I used CoolEdit to fool around with the end of the Chopping Block testimonial to find out what he's saying, and it's "We killed JFK, and we're glad." No. Hate to disappoint you, but I'm positive that he's just saying "1, 2, 3, 4." 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"I'm not even supposed to be here today!" -Dante Hicks Hectare, hectare, hectare, hectare. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:05:55 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Educational TMBG Songs Message-ID: Kristin: >I'm sure we have all been through this thread before, but... > >I'm looking for "real" educational songs for a CD that I'm making for a >co-worker and his two daughters (all tmbg fans!). Stretches are ok as >fillers, but I would like as many of them as possible to be fairly >educational. > >Here are some songs off the top of my head.. I'm sure that there are many >more!! Thanks for your help. > >James K. Polk >Why Does the Sun Shine? >Istanbul (ok, so it doesn't teach much but they like it) >Mammal >Edison Museum >A Shooting Star is not a Star >John Lee Supertaster >In the Middle > >Possibly: >New York City (for the landmarks, and they already love the song) >Where Do They Make Balloons? (is this out anywhere yet? mp3? was it >released >on emusic yet?) >Sleepwalkers (somewhat informative if not educational) >No! > >Of course there are some songs like Meet James Ensor that have some >historical figure mentioned, but aren't really educational themselves... I'd say "Meet James Ensor" is sort of a factual song, but in a figurative way. While you might not learn all about Ensor's life and works from the song, you get an outline, and it might prompt you to do some research on him (as it did for me). "Mammal" is also rather figurative, and it's on your A-list. John Linnell's cover of Johnny Horton's "North To Alaska" might be a good addition, if you can find a recording of it. -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:15:23 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Oldest song Message-ID: Lawrence Solomon: >I'm pretty sure the oldest song TMBG has, other than covers, is Cowtown, >which >Linnell wrote in the late 70s, but as far as I know, was never performed or >recorded by The Mundanes (he may have written it after he left the band) I seem to recall reading that Linnell wrote "Cowtown" when he was 18, which means that it was either in 1977 or early 1978, and that it was the first song he had ever written. When was he in the Mundanes? -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:44:26 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Dear UnderAge Child ! New Fun Website Has Been Started ! Message-ID: Polaris: > With your UnderAge.com ID, you can access to our daily updates which >include more than 10 picts > per day. Only Picts? I wanted some Celts! -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:45:46 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Oldest song Message-ID: Erich: >I coulda swore in a chat Linnell said to Flans that Flans had wrote it when >he was 20 something...... It was definitely Linnell who wrote it. He might have been 20 rather than 18, though. I don't quite remember. > > I seem to recall reading that Linnell wrote "Cowtown" when he was 18, >which > > means that it was either in 1977 or early 1978, and that it was the >first > > song he had ever written. When was he in the Mundanes? -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ I was 21 years when I wrote this song. I'm 22 now, but I won't be for long. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Fickley Subject: TMBG: They in Stuff Magazine Message-ID: <20010405232616.83510.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com> In the April issue of Stuff Magazine, there is a little section called The Big Cover-Up, which has little blurbs about various tribute bands. Here's the one of interest: SAPPHIRE BULLETS OF PURE LOVE "The only They Might Be Giants cover band that matters!" their ads trumpet. Having scored the opening slot on TMBG's recent tour, the Bullets do uncanny renditions of tracks from the Giants' album Flood. It probably helps that the band is made up entirely of members of They Might Be Giants. Oddly, Sapphire gets more chicks. --Jason-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:43:07 EDT From: EmarZero@aol.com Subject: Re: TMBG: Educational TMBG Songs Message-ID: <6f.1393433c.27fe5d0b@aol.com> > I'd say "Meet James Ensor" is sort of a factual song, but in a figurative > way. While you might not learn all about Ensor's life and works from the > song, you get an outline, and it might prompt you to do some research on > him > (as it did for me). "Mammal" is also rather figurative, and it's on your > In the same vein, try "Dinner Bell." It's got sort of snide Pavlov references in it... ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #40-5 *****************************