Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest, Volume 40, Number 6 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 40, Number 6 Saturday, 7 April 2001 Topics: TMBG: one quick question TMBG: Dial-A-Song? Re: TMBG: Dial-A-Song? Re: TMBG: Dial-A-Song? Re: TMBG: Dial-A-Song? Re: TMBG: Dial-A-Song? TMBG: Mr. Xcitement TMBG: Article from The Nation Re: TMBG: Dial-A-Song? TMBG: For anyone who thinks getting TMBG's emusic stuff from Napster won't h Administrivia: For all administrative issues, such as change of address, withdrawal from the list, etc., send a message to the following address: ÁÁowner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. tmbg-list is compiled with Digest 3.7b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 03:37:45 EDT From: Gegatron@aol.com Subject: TMBG: one quick question Message-ID: WHAT THE HELL IS A MINIBIKE AND WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO POP A WHEELIE ON ONE OR HAVE IT RETURNED? i just find it strange that tmbg seems to be all about mini bikes lately ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:49:35 EDT From: HotelDetective11@aol.com Subject: TMBG: Dial-A-Song? Message-ID: <85.944756a.27ff93ef@aol.com> has anyone noticed that something's wrong with dial-a-song either today or lately? i tried calling this afternoon and the phone just kept on ringing. i tried multiple times, but it doesn't seem to be working. is this happening for everyone or is my phone just screwed up? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 18:56:16 -0400 From: Jeff Roberts Subject: Re: TMBG: Dial-A-Song? Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406185616.009b1d10@pop.cwru.edu> Just out of morbid curiosity, how often are you people (everyone) calling Dial-A-Song? I think I called once a few years ago when I was bored at work, and thats been about it. Granted I called for about 5 hours. Jeff At 06:52 PM 4/6/01 EDT, you wrote: >Nope, it's not you. I've had the same problem for three days. > >furfr > >In a message dated 4/6/01 5:53:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >HotelDetective11@aol.com writes: > >> has anyone noticed that something's wrong with dial-a-song either today or >> >> >> lately? i tried calling this afternoon and the phone just kept on ringing. >i >> >> tried multiple times, but it doesn't seem to be working. is this happening >> for everyone or is my phone just screwed up? > > -- "I was young and foolish then. I feel old and foolish now." ÁÁÁÁ-They Might Be Giants Jeff Roberts President of Foolish Mortal Enterprises ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 19:05:50 EDT From: HotelDetective11@aol.com Subject: Re: TMBG: Dial-A-Song? Message-ID: <62.d664677.27ffa5ce@aol.com> In a message dated 4/6/01 6:58:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlr3@po.cwru.edu writes: > Just out of morbid curiosity, how often are you people (everyone) calling > Dial-A-Song? I think I called once a few years ago when I was bored at > work, and thats been about it. Granted I called for about 5 hours. > > Jeff > > i never used to call, but lately i've been calling about once a week. jessie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:58:52 -0400 From: "Matt Burkart" Subject: TMBG: Mr. Xcitement Message-ID: <9alolg$2dd4$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Does anyone know if the song Mr. Xcitement is on a TMBG album? A local radio station has been playing it lately and I assume they didnt get this off tmbg unlimited. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 21:52:36 -0400 From: "Christina Rockwell" Subject: TMBG: Article from The Nation Message-ID: <007301c0bf05$6e36ca00$60a50acf@marymt.edu> > If you like this article, please consider subscribing to The Nation at special discounted rates. You can order online https://ssl.thenation.com or call our toll-free number at 1-800-333-8536. > > > > > > ===================================== > April 23, 2001 > > > > On the Record: Toward a Union Label > by Johnny Temple & Courtney Love > > > > Courtney Love's plea to fellow recording artists > to join her in the creation of a new musicians' guild, printed below, > is the latest blow to the beleaguered "Big Five" conglomerates that > control the music industry. Although the record companies have landed > court injunctions against the renegade Napster website in recent > weeks, there is little chance the industry can reverse the explosion > of decentralized music file-trading and distribution on the Internet. > Love's timely missive capitalizes on the public's growing resentment > of conglomerates' desperate efforts to retain control of all aspects > of music distribution. > > Industry apologists will > undoubtedly dismiss Love's well-researched and biting analysis as a > publicity stunt designed to garner support for her legal battle with > Universal Music Group (UMG), the parent company that owns Geffen > Records, to which Love's rock band Hole was signed in 1992. UMG filed > a lawsuit against Love & Co. in January 2000 after the > singer-actress cited California Labor Code Section 2855 in an attempt > to terminate her band's recording contract. Enacted in 1937, Section > 2855 was the basis of a 1945 ruling against Warner Brothers Pictures > in favor of actress Olivia De Havilland, which established that her > studio contract could not be extended beyond seven years. The code's > seven-year restriction has safeguarded the career interests of film > actors. Love has responded to UMG's legal action with a countersuit. > Her legal team contends that a 1987 amendment eliminated any > possibility of the protection being offered to musicians, and that > among other things the amendment to the labor code was railroaded > into law by powerful music-industry interests with no input from > musicians. The forty-six-page countersuit, which can be downloaded > from the Internet at www.theredceiling.com, is a thorough indictment > of the hidden inequities that litter nearly every major-label > recording contract. > > The groundwork for substantive artist empowerment is, in fact, already being laid through the efforts of groups like the nascent Future of Music Coalition > (www.futureofmusic.org). Since its inception last year, FMC has > developed an ambitious and aggressive agenda to raise public > consciousness and educate legislators on Capitol Hill about the > stranglehold that the major labels have on many artists. It remains > to be seen whether Courtney Love's newfound community spirit will be > buttressed by a sustained effort--like that of FMC--to mobilize > recording artists and supporters. Given the star's history of > bombastic public behavior, she may be greeted with skepticism about > her intent. Regardless of Love's motives, however, her letter can > only serve to help destabilize the calcified music industry, and it > provides a compelling blueprint for organizing musicians to launch > further attacks on the Big Five behemoths. > > JOHNNY TEMPLE > > > > > Dear Fellow Recording Artists > > > I'm writing > to ask you to join the chorus of recording artists who want us all to > get a fair deal from the record companies. R.E.M., the Dixie Chicks, > U2, Alanis Morissette, Bush, Prince and Q-Tip have called me with > their support, and we need your participation as > well. > > There are 3 basic facts all recording artists should > know: > > 1. No one has ever represented the rights and interests of recording artists AS A GROUP in negotiations with record companies. > > 2. Recording artists don't have access to quality health care and pension plans like the ones made available to actors and athletes through their unions. > > 3. Recording artists are paid royalties that represent a tiny fraction of the > money their work earns. > > As I was working with my manager and my new attorneys on my lawsuit with the Universal Music Group, we realized that the most unfair clauses in my contract applied to ALL recording artists. Most important, no one was representing artists in an attempt to change the system. Recording artists need to form a new > organization that will represent their interests in Washington and negotiate fair contract terms with record companies. > > Here's what you should know: > > > > > > THERE IS NO ONE WHO REPRESENTS RECORDING ARTISTS > > Recording artists don't have a single > union that looks out for their interests. AFTRA (American Federation > of Television and Radio Artists) has a contract with major labels for > vocalists and the AFM (American Federation of Musicians) has a > contract for non-singing musicians and session players. > > If > you're in a band, your singer is represented by a different union > (AFTRA) than the rest of your group (who are represented by the AFM). > AFTRA negotiates contracts for TV and radio performers. They don't > pay very much attention to the recording business; it's not their > priority. The AFM acts like band members are sidemen and session > players because that's mostly who the union > represents. > > Record companies like this system because neither union represents all artists. AFTRA and AFM only negotiate session fees and other minor issues for the singers or the "sidemen." > > Who looks after our interests in Washington? > Until very recently, Congress believed that the Recording Industry > Association of America spoke for recording artists. The RIAA is a > trade group that is paid for by record companies to represent their > interests. The Napster hearings last summer and a few other issues > have let Washington know that NO ONE speaks for recording artists > right now. We have their attention and must act quickly to make sure > artists have a voice. > > > > RECORDING ARTISTS DON'T HAVE A SAFTEY NET > > Compare yourself to actors and baseball players. Like > the music business, the film and the sports industries generate > billions of dollars in income each year, but those industries offer > far better benefits to the men and women who create their > wealth. > > The Screen Actors Guild offers a fantastic health > care plan to its members. That health plan is paid for by the > contracts that SAG has negotiated with film studios. The baseball > players' union has negotiated a pension plan that ensures that NO > major league player ever finds himself without an income. Why > shouldn't recording artists get the same > benefits? > > > > RECORDING ARTISTS DON'T GET PAID > > Record > companies have a 3% success rate. That means that 3% of all records > released by major labels go gold or platinum. How do record companies > get away with a 97% failure rate that would be totally unacceptable > in any other business? > > Record companies keep almost all the > profits. Recording artists get paid a tiny fraction of the money > earned by their music. That allows record executives to be incredibly > sloppy in running their companies and still create enormous amounts > of cash for the corporations that own them. > > The royalty > rates granted in every recording contract are very low to start with > and then companies charge back every conceivable cost to an artist's > royalty account. Artists pay for recording costs, video production > costs, tour support, radio promotion, sales and marketing costs, > packaging costs and any other cost the record company can subtract > from their royalties. > > Record companies also reduce > royalties by "forgetting" to report sales figures, miscalculating > royalties and by preventing artists from auditing record company > books. > > Recording contracts are unfair and a single artist > negotiating an individual deal doesn't have the leverage to change > the system. Artists will finally get paid what they deserve when they > band together and force the recording industry to negotiate with them > AS A GROUP. > > Thousands of successful artists who sold > hundreds of millions of records and generated billions of dollars in > profits for record companies find themselves broke and forgotten by > the industry they made wealthy. > > Here are just a few examples of what we're talking about: > > Multiplatinum artists > like TLC ("Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg," "Waterfalls" and "No Scrubs") and > Toni Braxton ("Unbreak My Heart" and "Breathe Again") have been > forced to declare bankruptcy because their recording contracts didn't > pay them enough to survive. > > Corrupt recording agreements > forced the heirs of Jimi Hendrix ("Purple Haze," "All Along the > Watchtower" and "Stone Free") to work menial jobs while his catalogue > generated millions of dollars each year for Universal > Music. > > Florence Ballard from the Supremes ("Where Did Our > Love Go," "Stop in the Name of Love" and "You Keep Me Hangin' On" are > just 3 of the 10 #1 hits she sang on) was on welfare when she > died. > > Collective Soul earned almost no money from "Shine," > one of the biggest alternative rock hits of the 90s, when Atlantic > paid almost all of their royalties to an outside production > company. > > Merle Haggard ("I Threw Away the Rose," "Sing Me > Back Home" and "Today I Started Loving You Again") enjoyed a string > of 37 top-ten country singles (including 23 #1 hits) in the 1960s and > '70s. Yet he was consistently shortchanged until last year, when he > released an album on the indie punk-rock label > Epitaph. > > Even Elvis Presley, the biggest-selling artist of > all time, died with an estate valued at not even $3 > million. > > > > > > Think of it this way: recording artists are often > the writers, directors and producers of their own records. They write > the songs, choose the producers and engineers who record their music, > hire and oversee the photographers and designers who create their CD > artwork and oversee all parts of video production, from concept to > director to final edit. > > Record companies advance money for > recording costs and provide limited marketing services for the music > that artists conceive and create. In exchange, they keep almost all > of the money and 100% of the copyrights. > > Even the most > successful recording artists in history (The Beatles, The Eagles, > Nirvana, Eminem) have been paid a fraction of the money they deserved > from sales of their records. > > This is a very big and very important project and we're in the early days. Here's what we're looking for: > > 1. Artists who are willing to speak to the > media to publicly lend their support to the idea that recording > artists need an organization that represents our interests in > Washinton and with the record companies. We also would like you tell > your managers and attorneys that you support this cause and that you > expect them, as your representatives and employees, to do the > same. > > 2. Anyone who can tell us specific stories about how > artists have been ripped off by record companies like the ones I told > above. We're going to have to educate the public and the media and > Congress and the only way we'll do that is by giving them examples > they can relate to. > > NOW is the time for action. > > Artists like Garbage and *NSYNC have joined me in > questioning bad contracts and have also gone to court to change the > system. > > Record companies have merged and re-merged to the > point where they can no longer relate to their artists. Digital > distribution will change the music industry forever; artists must > make sure they finally get their fair share of the money their music > earns. We need to come together quickly and present a united front to > the industry. Your managers and attorneys will probably tell you not > to rock the boat and not to risk your "relationship" with your record > company by taking a stand. > > Most attorneys and managers are > conflicted. Almost all entertainment law firms represent both artists > and record companies. Lawyers can't take a stand against record > companies because that's where they get most of their business. Even > the best managers often have business relationships with labels and > depend on record companies to refer new clients. > > Think > about Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam's stand against TicketMaster. > Everyone knew he was right and yet no other artist took a public > stand against a company that we all knew was hurting our business > because our managers and attorneys told us it would be a bad > idea. > > Attorneys and managers are your employees. Make sure > they know how you feel and that you want them to publicly support the > idea that the terms of recording contracts are unfair and cover too > long a time period. You also want them to support an organization > that will negotiate health and pension benefits for all recording > artists. > > Artists have all the power. They create the music > that makes the money that funds the business. No one has ever > harnessed that power for artists' collective good. > > And > remember something equally important: Actors had to fight to end the > studio system that forced actors to work for one employer and > baseball players had to strike to end the reserve clause that tied a > player to one team for his entire career. Even though "experts" > predicted economic disaster once actors and athletes gained their > freedom, both the film business and baseball have enjoyed their > greatest financial success once their talent was given its freedom. > > Join us now in taking a public stand. Your name will > help get the attention that artists' rights deserve. If you're > willing to speak to the media or testify before Congress, you can > help make our goals a reality. Do it for yourself, for your children > and do it for the artists who inspired you to make music in the first > place. > > E-mail us at: Artists@theredceiling.com > > Or send a fax to 323-934-2265. > > Give us your stories and your support. Tell > us we can add your name to the list of artists who support this > organization. And let us know how to contact you directly as we move > forward on this project. > > If you're interested in learning > more about my case with Universal, visit my manager's website: > www.theredceiling.com. You can download a copy of our cross-complaint > and press releases that describe the issues we're taking to > court. > > Thanks in advance for your support. > > Best Regards, > COURTNEY LOVE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:03:18 EDT From: Furfr@aol.com Subject: Re: TMBG: Dial-A-Song? Message-ID: I never had until about three months ago. Then it became a local call for me and now I check it whenever people say there's something new. Or whenever it's broken. When that happens, I like to call over and over. ;) furfr In a message dated 4/6/01 6:58:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlr3@po.cwru.edu writes: > Just out of morbid curiosity, how often are you people (everyone) calling > Dial-A-Song? I think I called once a few years ago when I was bored at > work, and thats been about it. Granted I called for about 5 hours. > > Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:15:51 EDT From: Kaylum@aol.com Subject: TMBG: For anyone who thinks getting TMBG's emusic stuff from Message-ID: <35.1334f033.27ffd257@aol.com> Napster won't hurt them Vivendi may buy EMusic - Tech News - CNET.com or http://technews.netscape.com/news/0-1005-200-5519107.html?pt.nc.txtdisp.hl.ne Kay ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #40-6 *****************************