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          tmbg-list Digest, Volume 45, Number 27

               Saturday, 29 September 2001

Today's Topics:

                 TMBG: tmbg: dallas show
                    Re: TMBG: TMBG grr
                  TMBG: Mink Car Review
                    Re: TMBG: TMBG grr
           Re: TMBG: Songs they never play live
           Re: TMBG: Songs they never play live
           Re: TMBG: Songs they never play live
Re: TMBG: Seeing TMBG the most times in the shortest period
Re: TMBG: Seeing TMBG the most times in the shortest period
Re: TMBG: Seeing TMBG the most times in the shortest period
                Re: TMBG: Mink Car Review
    Re: TMBG: Me Mailbox got hit by a SIGNED mink car
TMBG: Long Tall Weekend/Working Undercover for the Man cds
              Re: TMBG: The Wiltern 9-22-01
    Re: TMBG: Me Mailbox got hit by a SIGNED mink car
               Re:TMBG: The Wiltern 9-22-01
TMBG: Long Tall Weekend, Working Undercover for the Man cds claimed
                    Re: TMBG: TMBG grr
              Re: TMBG: The Wiltern 9-22-01
Re: TMBG: Seeing TMBG the most times in the shortest period
                    Re: TMBG: TMBG grr
    TMBG: TMBG & The Incredible Moses Leroy in Dallas
           Re: TMBG: Songs they never play live
           Re: TMBG: Songs they never play live
    Re: TMBG: Me Mailbox got hit by a SIGNED mink car
               Re:TMBG: The Wiltern 9-22-01
           Re: TMBG: Songs they never play live
              Re: TMBG: The Wiltern 9-22-01
           Re: TMBG: Songs they never play live
                    Re: TMBG: TMBG grr
           Re: TMBG: Songs they never play live
                    Re: TMBG: TMBG grr
              TMBG: Muckafurgason and Flans
            TMBG: Weird Australian "Mink Car"
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            Re: TMBG: Muckafurgason and Flans
           Re: TMBG: Songs they never play live

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From: WeepDay@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 05:40:33 EDT
Subject: TMBG: tmbg: dallas show

hello all,

this show rocked! everyone was in a great mood and the crowd was
cool...cyclops rock, she's an angel, boss of me, she's actual size,
fingertips, nyc, spy, dig my grave, birdhouse, doctor worm, older, lie still
little bottle, i palindrome i, drink, man its so loud in here, robot
parade...etc...i can't remember them all...

I finally got both johns autographs and a picture with linnell...i am
happy..very happy...very very happy!!!!

amber~

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Henrietta? Why the heck would anyone want to go there?
^_^

-Amber the Transcendent
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Here is the review of Mink Car from the Hartford Courant (9/20/01). I am very surprised that a news group that would spend a week debating which brand of corn flakes the John's crave most, has so little interest in the crux of the biscuit....but.... for the two people that responded to my email, this bud's for you!

Mink Car
They Might Be Giants
Restless Records

   It's been five years since They Might Be Giants has put out a new collection of songs, an immense amount of time for a dup so prolific they continue to operate a Dial-A-Song service.
   The band did issue the internet-only "Long Tall Weekend" last year, but only a couple songs from it are recycled on the new "Mink Car": the ominous "Older" and the character study "She Thinks She's Edith Head".
   Perhaps realizing the significance of a new album, John Linnell and John Flansburgh winnow their material to 17 succinct songs in 45 minutes that are as good as any from the band's previous collections.
  Starting with a heartfelt paean to a girl with fetching "Bangs", the duo also sings of a guy with a particular dating problem: "I've Got A Fang." A modern dance beat accompaniesa song complaining about local stores turning to disco decor (in "Man, It's So Loud In Here").
   As amusing as the band is -- and its takeoff of a Bostonian in "Wicked Little Critta" is hilarious -- It's a mistake to think of the guys a s novelty, Linnell's "Hopeless Bleak Despair" quite honestly takes on bleak sadness, which one day disappears. Flansburgh is the romantic in asking for "Another First Kiss."
   But there's odd approaches here and there, too, including having M.Doughty of Soul Coughing do a guest shot on "Mr.Xcitement."
   Because the band is so prolific, it can hardly fit in a cover song. But Giants has been mining great '60's stuff recently; Lesley Gore's "Maybe I Know" on the mp3 album, and here Gerorgie Fame's "Yeh Yeh."
   Perhaps the dup's return to CDs is because of all they can do with its packaging. Once more, the design is a beaut.

- Roger Catlin

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In a message dated 9/28/01 1:49:01 AM, BirdhouseIYS@aol.com writes:

>I will most defenetly be heading to my home away from home in Rochester,
>NY
>for that show.

wow, i hadn't even heard of this show.   let me see..

sloan in toronto 10/25
tmbg in rochester 10/26
jian in rochester 10/27

and i had to go and quit my job this week.  hahaha.  eh,
sarah
http://glimmer.org/sarah/
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at a $10 tent just to hit some camel in the butt." -- george w. bush
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Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote:

> Didn't Flans once say that "She's An Angel" wasn't any fun to play?  That
> seems to have been brought back into regular rotation after Severe Tire
> Damage.

I'm not sure.  I know they've talked about songs not feeling "fresh" after
some time, and then they'll retire them and if they feel like it they'll bring
them back if they think they can not get bored with them again.  that may be
what happened to She's an Angel...

although I could imagine he wouldn't find it that interesting to play, since
he has a rather boring part....
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I'm gonna add my 2 cents worth here. I am a guitar player and "She's An Angel" is his only slide guitar part. Being a guitar player, I can't imagine how this would be boring from that perspective but I do understand how they might get tired of a song and retire it for a while. Now if they would retire "Birdhouse" for a while.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
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>Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote:
>
>> Didn't Flans once say that "She's An Angel" wasn't any fun to play?  That
>> seems to have been brought back into regular rotation after Severe Tire
>> Damage.
>
>I'm not sure.  I know they've talked about songs not feeling "fresh" after
>some time, and then they'll retire them and if they feel like it they'll bring
>them back if they think they can not get bored with them again.  that may be
>what happened to She's an Angel...
>
>although I could imagine he wouldn't find it that interesting to play, since
>he has a rather boring part....
>
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lees wrote:

> I'm gonna add my 2 cents worth here. I am a guitar player and "She's An
> Angel" is his only slide guitar part. Being a guitar player, I can't imagine
> how this would be boring from that perspective but I do understand how they
> might get tired of a song and retire it for a while. Now if they would retire
> "Birdhouse" for a while.

well, for Flans, I think "boring" means he just stands there playing guitar.
no singing, no jumping around.  also, She's an Angel is a 3 chord song.  the
slide part isn't really that interesting... 2-9-4, 2-9-4....

Birdhouse is fun.  I wish they'd get rid of Particle Man.  FOREVER.
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So who has seen TMBG the most times in the shortest time?

I only ask as they are doing a mini 4 (at the moment) date tour of the UK and I am wondering how many to try and see.

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Richard Hilton wrote:
>
> So who has seen TMBG the most times in the shortest time?

I've seen them twice in one night.... twice... but I suppose that
doesn't really count, because no effort is required to see the second
show.  The best I've done after that is two days in a row.  never three,
though.  (I have, however, seen Moxy Fruvous 13 times in 19 days before,
including a run of 4 nights in a row :)

I would guess that some of the New York people saw all the Bowery shows
in a row in October of 1999

> I only ask as they are doing a mini 4 (at the moment) date tour of the UK and I am
> wondering how many to try and see.

all of them.  not because you want to hold that title, but because it's
TMBG, and, living in the UK, you should probably take advantage of every
chance you get to see them, since they don't cross the Atlantic all that
often...
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My best effort has been 3 shows in 3 nights.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
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>Richard Hilton wrote:
>>
>> So who has seen TMBG the most times in the shortest time?
>
>I've seen them twice in one night.... twice... but I suppose that
>doesn't really count, because no effort is required to see the second
>show.  The best I've done after that is two days in a row.  never three,
>though.  (I have, however, seen Moxy Fruvous 13 times in 19 days before,
>including a run of 4 nights in a row :)
>
>I would guess that some of the New York people saw all the Bowery shows
>in a row in October of 1999
>
>> I only ask as they are doing a mini 4 (at the moment) date tour of the UK and I am
>> wondering how many to try and see.
>
>all of them.  not because you want to hold that title, but because it's
>TMBG, and, living in the UK, you should probably take advantage of every
>chance you get to see them, since they don't cross the Atlantic all that
>often...
>
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lees <lees@megahits.com>:
> I am very surprised that a news group that would spend a week
> debating which brand of corn flakes the John's crave most, has
> so little interest in the crux of the biscuit....but.... for the two
> people that responded to my email, this bud's for you!

My enthusiasm is implicit.  I just felt I didn't have anything to add, although I guess I
should have mailed you off-list anyway.  Thank you for typing it up.  It's surprisingly
informed, considering its brevity; Mr. Catlin has obviously not read Nathan's guidelines.

(Probably Kellogg's, although Flansburgh seems more of a Pops man to me. ;)

Bryce

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On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Erich Cannon wrote:

> I got my signed copy of MINK CAR in the mail just now!! Anyone else? we
> should compare how each of ours was signed. Perhaps we'd be able to tell
> when the John's first started and which one they ended on (sloppiness, no
> creativity hehheh)
>
> mine says JOHN SID on the top and on the bottom right corner JOHN F. A big O
> being made into a head over the headlights as eyes. very cool.
>
> Erich
>
I got mine in the post yesterday, too.  It's exactly as you
described yours.  I'm sure, just like any other rock star,
athelete, etc that sits down to sign a bunch of items they sign
them all the same way.  "JOHN SID" and the standards Flans signature.
Maybe one of them got a cramp along the way and signed someone's
differently?  I could imagine a big jagged line across the cover as
Linnell's hand slips.  Nahh, they'd probably just throw that in the
discard pile :)
The sleeve is incredibly clever and funny, probably the best one
I've seen of theirs.  The matrix is great and the whole assemble-plane(car)-
model design is great.
I forgot to check for a hidden track before track 1, does anyone
have any knowledge of anything being hidden on this disc?
-Matt

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Y'all probably have these already, but if anyone is looking for the
promotional cds of these two releases let me know, I have an extra of each
I'll sell at cost.

Tom

P.S. my two cents: "Man it's so loud in here" is by far the best track on
the new cd.
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>From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <xornom@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <xornom@hotmail.com>
>To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org
>Subject: Re: TMBG: The Wiltern 9-22-01
>Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:57:16 +0000
>
>Todd Wetherbee:
>>>in 1994, besides the 20 John Henry songs, I think there were about 30
>>>songs (at least) they'd rotate between.  at the show I saw, they did
>>>Number 3 (it was the third song of the show, even!) and They'll Need a
>>>Crane. at others, they did Everything Right is Wrong Again, Nothing's
>>>Gonna Change My Clothes, Youth Culture Killed My Dog, and even Nightgown
>>>of the Sullen Moon.  they didn't play any of those very often, but they
>>>did occasionally, and more than once.  sure, there were songs they did
>>>at every show - Ana Ng, Your Racist Friend, Birdhouse in Your Particle
>>>Man (not Constantinople), WDTSS? (that was back when the rock version
>>>was new) but sometimes they'd do Turn Around, and sometimes they'd do
>>>Lucky Ball & Chain... stuff like that.  and there were more than 3 or 4
>>>"slots" that got rotated in the set....
>>
>>Hello, all.  This is absolutely correct.  And I really miss it.  Just
>>thought I would extend my support.
>>
>>BTW, does anyone know if they have EVER played Nightgown live?
>
>He just said they did.  Look in the second list of songs.
>--
>May the light shine upon thee,
>Nathan
>DinnerBell@tmbg.org
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Arrrgh

I still haven't received mine, and the mailman's already come and gone for
today. What torture.

--Jason--

At 11:10 AM 9/28/2001 -0400, Matt James wrote:
>On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Erich Cannon wrote:
>
>> I got my signed copy of MINK CAR in the mail just now!! Anyone else? we
>> should compare how each of ours was signed. Perhaps we'd be able to tell
>> when the John's first started and which one they ended on (sloppiness, no
>> creativity hehheh)
>>
>> mine says JOHN SID on the top and on the bottom right corner JOHN F. A
big O
>> being made into a head over the headlights as eyes. very cool.
>>
>> Erich
>>
>I got mine in the post yesterday, too.  It's exactly as you
>described yours.  I'm sure, just like any other rock star,
>athelete, etc that sits down to sign a bunch of items they sign
>them all the same way.  "JOHN SID" and the standards Flans signature.
>Maybe one of them got a cramp along the way and signed someone's
>differently?  I could imagine a big jagged line across the cover as
>Linnell's hand slips.  Nahh, they'd probably just throw that in the
>discard pile :)
>The sleeve is incredibly clever and funny, probably the best one
>I've seen of theirs.  The matrix is great and the whole assemble-plane(car)-
>model design is great.
>I forgot to check for a hidden track before track 1, does anyone
>have any knowledge of anything being hidden on this disc?
>-Matt
>
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Alright, I didn't mean to start anything, and I should have disclaimered
that the whole setlist was from memory, but yes they did do Fingertips, I
still don't remember them doing the Guitar (I did go to the bathroom, and am
now kicking myself for having that super big gulp of Mountain Dew before the
show.)
They did do Ana Ng, and they did flub it the first time through. I remember
it now.

I think the Johns do think that people hate John Henry, and while it's far
from perfect, I think it's my favorite album. It certainly has a bunch of
songs that would be great fun live, and I just like to see the look on
neophyte faces when they say they're never going to tour again. I'm just
mean like that.

I did notice that there were fewer Mink Car songs than I expected for a show
a week after a new album. Maybe they don't like/don't know many of the songs
live?

I too was pulling for the fast 'first kiss' or rock 'Man', as I like them
more, but I think they have just disowned those.

Oh, and strangely, I don't think they did 'Bangs' They may have, but I can't
seem to find it in my memory...Wasn't that the lead single? (Do they even
have interest in singles any more?)

They didn't do 'Subliminal'.

-Olaf
(As a musician, I can tell you that some songs are a lot more fun to record
than to play. Matter of fact, I think all of JH is a headphone album, and
most of the songs would lose their nuance live, so perhaps that's why they
don't do them...)

I'm still waiting to hear the CD Fast-forward version of 'Don't Lets Start'
Live.

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these have been snapped up.

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<< Henrietta? Why the heck would anyone want to go there? >>

Because his girlfriend lives out there. And he totally wants to do sex with
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Olaf Malachowski wrote:

> (As a musician, I can tell you that some songs are a lot more fun to record
> than to play. Matter of fact, I think all of JH is a headphone album, and
> most of the songs would lose their nuance live, so perhaps that's why they
> don't do them...)

I dunno about that.... when I record, I record all the parts myself, and
I'm usually standing in front of a mic with my guitar or my accordion,
or I'm singing, so I *can't* get into it, because if I move, the levels
will be all messed up (I can't boost the input a ton and use compression
'cause it'll pick up traffic from the street below).  the song I had the
most fun with was my punk version of See the Constellation, because it
was all done with electric guitar and bass, which have to be plugged
in[1].

but the only reason I use mics for my acoustic guitar and my accordion
at home is to achieve that "perfect" sound for a recording.  if I were
playing live with a band, I might not be so picky, so I'd just plug in,
giving myself the freedom to move around and really get into the songs.
(well, also I'm playing in a *really* cramped studio, so I have to be
careful anyway :)

John Henry, being their first full band album, almost sounds *more* as
if it were tracked out individually than played live in the studio.  the
recordings are a little too perfect.  I've seen.... about half the album
performed live, though, and songs like Subliminal, Snail Shell, Sleeping
in the Flowers, No One Knows My Plan, and Stomp Box lose *nothing* in a
live setting, and, in the case of SitF, rock even more than on the
album.  End of the Tour is a brilliant song (TMBG's best, IMO) and I'd
love to hear it live again, but it's a slow, depressing song, which
means it doesn't translate as well to a live show as some of the more
upbeat songs.  it's hard to get into a song like End of the Tour
(although the last time I saw them do it, Flans *did* rock out on the
louder electric guitar parts)

I think there's also a very clear reason why they don't do some of the
songs from John Henry live, though - no horns.  Sleeping in the Flowers,
No One Knows My Plan and Spy translate relatively well to a hornless
arrangement, but songs like Extra Savoir Faire[2], Dirt Bike, A Self
Called Nowhere, Thermostat, and Stomp Box all pretty much depend on the
horns.  (they have done hornless versions of Dirt Bike and Stomp Box,
but they're just not the same)

[1] well, ok, they *don't*, and I have recorded songs with the electric
guitar in front of a mic.  it kind of sounds like a banjo.
[2] actually, I think the reason they don't do this anymore is that Tony
Maimone was the only person who ever toured with them who played the
ukelele.
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I've done twice in two nights a couple of times, and 5 times in one month once. Not a huge number, but I just thought I'd weigh in. I agree that you should see all of them if you can. Take any opportunity.

In a message dated Fri, 28 Sep 2001  9:11:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Richard Hilton" <RHILTON@BITC.ORG.UK> writes:

> So who has seen TMBG the most times in the shortest time?
>
> I only ask as they are doing a mini 4 (at the moment) date tour of the UK and I am wondering how many to try and see.
>
> Richard

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Hi all-

Feel free to take a look at the photos from the show in Dallas last =
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TMBG: http://evilrose.net/gallery/tmbg
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*curtsies*

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Lee:
>I'm gonna add my 2 cents worth here. I am a guitar player and "She's An
>Angel" is his only slide guitar part.

"How Can I Sing Like A Girl?" has slide guitar.  I know Flans doesn't play
it on the album (Jay Sherman-Godfrey does), but I'm not sure about live.

>Being a guitar player, I can't imagine how this would be boring from that
>perspective but I do understand how they might get tired of a song and
>retire it for a while. Now if they would retire "Birdhouse" for a while.

I don't have anything against "Birdhouse," or even "Particle Man" (and even
if you hate "Particle Man," at least it's short).  The songs I want them to
cut out are "Spy" and "Istanbul."  Actually, they can keep on playing the
latter if they promise to keep it under three minutes.  The "let's drag this
out for as long as possible" songs tend to be my least favorite, with "She's
Actual Size" and "The Guitar" also fitting into this category, although
those two aren't as annoying as the first two I mentioned.
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Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote:

> "How Can I Sing Like A Girl?" has slide guitar.  I know Flans doesn't play
> it on the album (Jay Sherman-Godfrey does), but I'm not sure about live.

live, Linnell plays the solo on his keyboard.  er, wait, I haven't seen
them do it with the Band of Dans, so I'm not totally sure now.  I think
back in 1996 when they had Eric Schermermermermermerhorn he played the
solos, and that song was *way* too long... it's nice now that they've
dropped all the excessive guitar solos.  the best version I've heard,
though, was the one from Philly on 9/13/97, where they came out for the
encore with just John, John, and Graham, and Linnell played accordion...

> I don't have anything against "Birdhouse," or even "Particle Man" (and even
> if you hate "Particle Man," at least it's short).  The songs I want them to
> cut out are "Spy" and "Istanbul."  Actually, they can keep on playing the
> latter if they promise to keep it under three minutes.  The "let's drag this
> out for as long as possible" songs tend to be my least favorite, with "She's
> Actual Size" and "The Guitar" also fitting into this category, although
> those two aren't as annoying as the first two I mentioned.

yeah, Spy and The Guitar should definitely go, or at least be
shortened.  The Guitar can stay in a shorter form, but like, the *only*
point of Spy is the improv, 'cause it doesn't have a whole lot of
substance as a song otherwise.  She's Actual Size they should just start
playing normally again, instead of at half-tempo for the last two
verses.

although my feeling about live songs is they shouldn't feel obligated to
play anything... so they should retire the ones they aren't interested
in or aren't doing justice to anymore.  I've seen some pretty awful
versions of Particle Man 'cause they just aren't into it.  Same with
Fruvous and King of Spain.  if they don't want to do it, they're not
going to do it well...
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Matt James:
>On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Erich Cannon wrote:
>
> > I got my signed copy of MINK CAR in the mail just now!! Anyone else? we
> > should compare how each of ours was signed. Perhaps we'd be able to tell
> > when the John's first started and which one they ended on (sloppiness,
>no
> > creativity hehheh)
> >
> > mine says JOHN SID on the top and on the bottom right corner JOHN F. A
>big O
> > being made into a head over the headlights as eyes. very cool.
> >
> > Erich
> >
>I got mine in the post yesterday, too.  It's exactly as you
>described yours.  I'm sure, just like any other rock star,
>athelete, etc that sits down to sign a bunch of items they sign
>them all the same way.  "JOHN SID" and the standards Flans signature.
>Maybe one of them got a cramp along the way and signed someone's
>differently?

I got mine today.  Flans signed his name the same same you described
(although he wrote "Hi!" above it), but Linnell is "LINNY" LINNELL, rather
than John Sid, on mine.

>I forgot to check for a hidden track before track 1, does anyone
>have any knowledge of anything being hidden on this disc?

I think this has been asked and answered at least twenty times before, but I
just checked to make sure, and I can confirm that there isn't.

A few textual oddities in the liner notes:

Nowhere does it say "They Might Be Giants' Xth Album."  Was it just too
confusing to figure out whether they should count Severe Tire Damage and
Long Tall Weekend, or what?

They Might Be Giants are back to being just the Johns (with no indication as
to what instruments they played), and the Dans have their own section below
this.  On Factory Showroom, Brian, Graham, and Eric were identified as part
of TMBG.  This is somewhat odd, since it seems to me like the Dans are
closer to being "true" parts of TMBG than those other guys.  Maybe the Johns
don't see it this way, though.

Chris Maxwell apparently gave "his sound" to "Mr. Xcitement."  I wonder what
that consists of.

Only "Mr. Xcitement" has any co-writers credited.  This is kind of
surprising, considering that pretty much every song on the "Working
Undercover For The Man" EP credits someone (usually the Dans) in addition to
the Johns.
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Olaf:
>I did notice that there were fewer Mink Car songs than I expected for a
>show
>a week after a new album. Maybe they don't like/don't know many of the
>songs
>live?

Possibly.  Someone posted this list of songs played at recent shows to the
newsgroup (along with some statistical analysis) four days ago:

Cyclops Rock-                      100% (6/6)
James K. Polk-                      100% (6/6)
Boss of Me-                            83% (5/6)
Hopeless Bleak Despair-        50% (3/6)
Twisting-                                 66% (4/6)
She's Actual Size-                  100% (6/6)
I've Got A Fang-                    100% (6/6)
Fingertips-                              100% (6/6)
Birdhouse in Your Soul-         100% (6/6)
The Guitar-                            100% (6/6)
Spy-                                       100% (6/6)
Why Does The Sun Shine?- 100% (6/6)
Man, Its So Loud In Here-     100% (6/6)
Robot Parade-                      100% (6/6)
Yeh Yeh-                              100% (6/6)
Drink!-                                  100% (6/6)
Particle Man-                         83% (5/6)
Another First Kiss-                  66% (4/6)
Ana Ng-                                33% (2/6)
Your Racist Friend-               16% (1/6)
Bangs-                                100% (6/6)
New York City-                   100% (6/6)
Older-                                 100% (6/6)
She's An Angel-                 100% (6/6)
Dr. Worm-                          100% (6/6)
Mink Car-                             66% (4/6)
Istanbul-                             100%(6/6)
Lie Still, Little Bottle-             66% (4/6)
Shoehorn with Teeth-          50% (3/6)
The Famous Polka-              33% (2/6)
Don't Let's Start-                  33% (2/6)
Noone Knows My Plan-       16% (1/6)
Mammal-                              16%(1/6)
Spider-                                 16%(1/6)
Mr. Tambourine Man-          33% (2/6)
Subliminal-                          16%(1/6)

So apparently nine Mink Car songs have been played in at least half of the
recent shows.  I'm sure "Mr. Xcitement" is left out for the obvious reason
that there wouldn't be much left after taking out Doughty and the horns.
"My Man" and "Wicked Little Critta" probably don't lend themselves all that
well to live arrangements, either, although I'm sure they could pull them
off if they wanted to.  It seems like they've pretty much given up on
playing "She Thinks She's Edith Head" and "Working Undercover For The Man,"
for some reason.  And I have no clue why they don't do "Hovering Sombrero"
or "Finished With Lies"; they seem like they'd both be fun live.

>I too was pulling for the fast 'first kiss' or rock 'Man', as I like them
>more, but I think they have just disowned those.

FLANSBURGH: We've disowned them, just like we've disowned John Henry!
You're stuck with the crap versions now!
LINNELL: Yeah!  Fuck all y'all!

(Seriously, I don't think the new versions of these two songs are "crap" at
all, but I sort of feel that they should be confined to the album, with the
rock-out versions being played live.  If they're really playing too many
slow songs to include something like "The End Of The Tour," why add another
slow song?)

>Oh, and strangely, I don't think they did 'Bangs' They may have, but I
>can't
>seem to find it in my memory...Wasn't that the lead single? (Do they even
>have interest in singles any more?)

"Man, It's So Loud In Here" is the first single, although I think "Bangs"
might be released as one in the near future.  As for playing their singles,
well, "Ana Ng," "Birdhouse In Your Soul," and "The Guitar" are all the lead
singles from their respective albums, right?  I don't know why they never
play "Don't Let's Start" or "Snail Shell" anymore (probably just that "we're
tired of them" excuse again).  And, of course, "Boss Of Me" is a single, as
are some of the other songs on there.  They don't seem to promote singles
that much in this country, though.  Apparently singles are a bigger deal in
the United Kingdom, although I really don't know why.

Nathan
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Lawrence Solomon:
>yeah, Spy and The Guitar should definitely go, or at least be
>shortened.  The Guitar can stay in a shorter form, but like, the *only*
>point of Spy is the improv, 'cause it doesn't have a whole lot of
>substance as a song otherwise.

Well, there tends to be more reason to drag out "The Guitar," since they
often use it for band intros.  Besides, I like it better than the other
three I mentioned.

>She's Actual Size they should just start
>playing normally again, instead of at half-tempo for the last two
>verses.

Yeah, that was something that was interesting at first, and tended to get
old as they kept doing it that way.  Same with the drum solo in the middle.

>although my feeling about live songs is they shouldn't feel obligated to
>play anything... so they should retire the ones they aren't interested
>in or aren't doing justice to anymore.

Well, whether or not they're doing justice to a song is a matter of opinion.
  I know that someone asked them which songs they don't like, and they said
"the ones we don't play anymore."  Perhaps this means that they still like
"Particle Man," "Istanbul," and the others.

>I've seen some pretty awful
>versions of Particle Man 'cause they just aren't into it.

They generally seem to be more into it live than on the album, though.
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Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote:

> (Seriously, I don't think the new versions of these two songs are "crap" at
> all, but I sort of feel that they should be confined to the album, with the
> rock-out versions being played live.  If they're really playing too many
> slow songs to include something like "The End Of The Tour," why add another
> slow song?)

especially a *bad* slow song. AFK *is* crap.  absolutely horrendous.  I
skip it every time.  Flans really had something with the lyrics, but
ruined it by turning it into a loungy piece of garbage.  Even Wicked
Little Critta is better. (but not by much)

> "Man, It's So Loud In Here" is the first single, although I think "Bangs"
> might be released as one in the near future.  As for playing their singles,
> well, "Ana Ng," "Birdhouse In Your Soul," and "The Guitar" are all the lead

actually, I think The Statue Got Me High was the first single from
Apollo 18.  It was released a couple of months before the album came
out.  (there's also a show they did in February of 1992 where they
played it and you can hear Linnell say "That was our single" or
something afterwards)

> tired of them" excuse again).  And, of course, "Boss Of Me" is a single, as
> are some of the other songs on there.  They don't seem to promote singles
> that much in this country, though.  Apparently singles are a bigger deal in
> the United Kingdom, although I really don't know why.

commercial radio stations tend to *only* play singles.  public and
college radio, though, are not only more likely to play TMBG, they're
also more likely to pick non-single tracks...
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Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote:

> >I've seen some pretty awful
> >versions of Particle Man 'cause they just aren't into it.
>
> They generally seem to be more into it live than on the album, though.

especially when Linnell sighs and rolls his eyes before it.  he *really*
doesn't want to play it...
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In a message dated 9/28/01 1:23:05 PM, Alterian@aol.com writes:

>I have to drive out to Henrietta almost every day for college.
>rah RIT..

rah MCC...  good ol' 390. {g}

sarah
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Nathan:
> I don't have anything against "Birdhouse," or even "Particle Man" (and even
>  if you hate "Particle Man," at least it's short).  The songs I want them
to
>  cut out are "Spy" and "Istanbul."  Actually, they can keep on playing the
>  latter if they promise to keep it under three minutes.  The "let's drag
this
>  out for as long as possible" songs tend to be my least favorite, with
"She's
>  Actual Size" and "The Guitar" also fitting into this category, although
>  those two aren't as annoying as the first two I mentioned.

Okay, Nathan, that statement brought disharmonization into my life. I still
really enjoy Birdhouse and even Particle Man (ooh, shocking, isn't it?). I
love The Guitar, and I don't care if they play that song for the whole
freakin'  90 minutes, because I love it so. The song that really needs to go
is Spy, but to be fair, sometimes I enjoy it, usually not. I might be okay
with Istanbul and She's Actual Size, if they kept them short.

Beth
You sure post a lot.
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You do realize RIT is superior to MCC just for the fact that they did get
TMBG to play for their spring fest last school year ^_^

I bet no one else knows what we're talking about....

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Hey children, look what I just got in my mailbox from the Muckafurgason
mailing list.
____________
dearest friends and family,

we would like to invite you to our unofficial cd release party.  we've
printed up 1000 copies of our cd produced by John Flansburgh of They
Might Be Giants, and we'll be selling them to anyone interested in
buying  ( or exchange them for pelts ).

Friday 10/5
Luna Lounge
Ludlow st (below houston)
NY NY
12 midnight

With THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS
If you know anyone on these towns...

10/8
beaumont club
kansas city MO

10/9
royal gove
Lincoln, NE

10/10
fist avenue
Minneapolis, MN

10/11
Iowa Memorial Union
Iowa city, IA

10/12
the blue note
Columbia, MO

10/13
Pop's
Sauget, IL
_______________

Wow, so it seems that Mucka is opening for TMBG in a bunch of towns that are
millions of miles from the South Jersey/Philadelphia area. <jealousy>

Beth
I proclaim that Muckafurgason is the coolest band ever to open for TMBG
(okay, not as cool as the Statesmen and only slightly cooler than Lincoln).
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Hi folks,

I was down in sunny Melbourne this last week and managed to pick up the
Australian version of "Mink Car". Some of you may be interested to know that:

* it doesn't have the metallic blue ink of the US version, just a normal
pale blue

* it DOES feature a bonus track... but it's only "Boss Of Me" (tk 18). And
the liner notes still read "Be sure to check that all 17 tracks are included".

* most oddly of all (particularly because I noticed it) the rauschpfife
blast at 1:23 into "Older" is absent. How strange. It has completely
disappeared from the mix. I checked, and it's as clear as day in the eMusic
MP3.

What other TMBG stuff did I pick up?... oh, the Aust. Boss Of Me promo, the
"This American Life" compilation featuring "I'm Sick" and a host of
excellent spoken word pieces... and a 7" by a band from Brisbane called
(hold onto your hats) THEY MIGHT BE VAGINAS. I think it's well-acknowledged
that there was a band in New Jersey in the 1980s called They Might Be
Vaginas (a TMBG tribute band - Flans mentions them on the Loveline
interview) but I guess another one has popped up in 2001 Australia. They
don't do TMBG covers. I'd scan a picture of the 7" but... there are
children on this list.

E-mail me privately if you want more info on or pics of any of this stuff.
Mr John Relph, I will probably send you an e-mail with all the catalogue
numbers and such later today.

You know what? I post incredibly infrequently on this list, but I love
every last one of you, you crazy TMBG fans, you.

 - Ryan

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Beth:
>Nathan:
> > I don't have anything against "Birdhouse," or even "Particle Man" (and
>even
> >  if you hate "Particle Man," at least it's short).  The songs I want
>them
>to
> >  cut out are "Spy" and "Istanbul."  Actually, they can keep on playing
>the
> >  latter if they promise to keep it under three minutes.  The "let's drag
>this
> >  out for as long as possible" songs tend to be my least favorite, with
>"She's
> >  Actual Size" and "The Guitar" also fitting into this category, although
> >  those two aren't as annoying as the first two I mentioned.
>
>Okay, Nathan, that statement brought disharmonization into my life. I still
>really enjoy Birdhouse and even Particle Man (ooh, shocking, isn't it?).

Not really.  It's a good live song.  I wouldn't mind if they cut it out, but
it's usually pretty fun.  While I don't know how many people here fit into
this group, I think some people feel they have to hate "Particle Man"
because it's the only one all the drunken frat boys who happen to be in the
audience know, rather than because it's actually a bad song.

>I love The Guitar, and I don't care if they play that song for the whole
>freakin'  90 minutes, because I love it so. The song that really needs to
>go
>is Spy, but to be fair, sometimes I enjoy it, usually not.

I think it sort of depends on whether they're trying to play something
coherent, or just random notes.  I've occasionally heard descriptions of
"Spy" improv sections that seem interesting, but I've never heard any of
them.  As for "The Guitar," I never said I didn't like it, but they do tend
to drag it out.

>I might be okay
>with Istanbul and She's Actual Size, if they kept them short.

I think "Istanbul" is generally only bad if they have horns.  The Latin
guitar version that I've heard them do with the Johns is shorter and more
fun.

>You sure post a lot.

That's true.  Do you have a problem with that?
--
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Beth:
>I proclaim that Muckafurgason is the coolest band ever to open for TMBG
>(okay, not as cool as the Statesmen and only slightly cooler than Lincoln).

What about Mono Puff?
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Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote:

> Not really.  It's a good live song.  I wouldn't mind if they cut it out, but
> it's usually pretty fun.  While I don't know how many people here fit into
> this group, I think some people feel they have to hate "Particle Man"
> because it's the only one all the drunken frat boys who happen to be in the
> audience know, rather than because it's actually a bad song.

some of us hate it because there are so many songs that are better that they
could put in its place...

> I think "Istanbul" is generally only bad if they have horns.  The Latin
> guitar version that I've heard them do with the Johns is shorter and more
> fun.

Istanbul was *ridiculous* in 1994.  They would open their shows with a few
songs with the 4 piece band with Brian on the most basic of drum kits, then
they'd bring out the horns and launch into Istanbul with a long trumpet intro,
and after the second "people just liked it better that way..." they'd slow it
to a crawl and do the echo thing, while Tony and Brian left the stage
(actually, I'm not sure Tony was a part of this at all - they might have just
used the trombone and tuba to cover bass parts, I can't remember) and the
techs moved the drum kit off.  this all took about 5 minutes, and they'd get
to the final "Isssstaaaaaanbuuuuuuul!" and Brian would be perched in a giant
drum booth at the back of the stage and the whole band would kick in right
there.

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