Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest #54-6 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 54, Number 6 Thursday, 6 June 2002 Today's Topics: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #54-5 RE: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #54-5 RE: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #54-5 NON-TMBG: Spam Re: NON-TMBG: Spam Re: NON-TMBG: Spam Re: TMBG: Limiting posting to reduce spam, your opinion? Re: TMBG: Limiting posting to reduce spam, your opinion? RE: NON-TMBG: Spam Re: NON-TMBG: Spam RE: NON-TMBG: Spam Re: non-TMBG: spam TMBG: Re: dial-a-song: new? Re: TMBG: I got my first one. Re: TMBG: Limiting posting to reduce spam, your opinion? Re: TMBG: I got my first one. Administrivia: If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing send mail to tmbg-digest-request@tmbg.org for instructions on how to be automatically removed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. --------------------------------------------------------------------- tmbg-list is digested with Digest 3.5b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Olaf Malachowski" Subject: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #54-5 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:41:10 -0700 Message-ID: 4. And I'll tell you why. The amount of spam we get isn't bad at all. Far less than any other list I've been on. Most of the problem mail is "Why are we getting this much spam?" mail. No offense, but if we didn't get five of those for every mail we get from some honest Nigerian just trying to smuggle 24.6 million dollars out of his country, we'd barely notice it. Plus, how would I find out about exclusive discounts on Malaysian furniture? C'mon, do nothing. It's the american way! -Olaf Did anyone notice that the last album came out on 9-11? The next album is coming out on 6-11? . . . coincidence? Yes, probably. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 10:52:19 -0500 From: Lucas Thompson Subject: RE: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #54-5 Message-ID: <3CFEFBAC@webgate1.mail.vanderbilt.edu> I vote for option 1. Lucas Thompson TMBG Ambassador to Singapore ... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #54-5 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:40:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Karin Highfield" Olaf sez: > Plus, how would I find out about exclusive discounts on Malaysian >furniture? > >C'mon, do nothing. It's the american way! I mean, honestly! Not to mention those great Taiwanese rubber bands! Actually, though, I'm afraid that these days the American way is to find the most complicated, techno-compulsive way possible to deal with it, talking it to death either before, after, or both... I believe we can count on each other to share any truly entertaining spam with the rest of the class, so I don't really care how it's resolved. Karin H spam, spam, spam, spammity spam... [Attachment omitted, unknown MIME type or encoding (text/html)] On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org wrote: > 1) Everyone who is on tmbg-list can post from the address subscribed > to the list. This means your "From" address must match the > address the list uses to send you mail. If it doesn't, your > post is rejected. > 4) Do nothing, the spam isn't really that bad. I vote for options 1 or 4. I remember when this list was moderated, and it wasn't fun. Thanks, Leo! Once again, you rock. --nicole twn *** "Knowledge never ennobles."--Moxy Fruvous Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn nmcarlson@ucdavis.edu ana.ng@tmbg.org carlsonn@seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 14:34:29 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55IYTA44012 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: from ussdefiant.ufp.org (ussdefiant.ufp.org [209.249.50.19]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g55IYSJ44004 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:34:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mitcharf@tmbg.org) Received: from mg03.austin.ibm.com (mg03.austin.ibm.com [192.35.232.20]) by ussdefiant.ufp.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13187 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.ibm.com (netmail1.austin.ibm.com [9.3.7.138]) by mg03.austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA60720 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:29:20 -0500 Received: from popmail.austin.ibm.com (popmail.austin.ibm.com [9.53.247.178]) by austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA52352 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:34:21 -0500 Received: from tmbg.org (mitcharf.austin.ibm.com [9.53.146.147]) by popmail.austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.7-client1.01) with ESMTP id NAA22916 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:34:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3CFE59AC.DDE34E1E@tmbg.org> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 13:34:20 -0500 From: Mitch Harding X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78i [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Spam References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Mitch Harding I vote for option 4. We don't get spam that often, and when we do, the humorous responses to it make it all worthwhile. Plus, there are the same number of integers as there are even integers. Nicole Carlson wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org wrote: > > 1) Everyone who is on tmbg-list can post from the address subscribed > > to the list. This means your "From" address must match the > > address the list uses to send you mail. If it doesn't, your > > post is rejected. > > 4) Do nothing, the spam isn't really that bad. > > I vote for options 1 or 4. I remember when this list was moderated, and > it wasn't fun. > > Thanks, Leo! Once again, you rock. > > --nicole twn > > *** > "Knowledge never ennobles."--Moxy Fruvous > Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn > nmcarlson@ucdavis.edu ana.ng@tmbg.org carlsonn@seclab.cs.ucdavis.edu -- Mitch www.mitcharf.com "Though I am not naturally honest, I am so sometimes by chance." - Autolycus (in Shakespeare's "The Winter's Tale") From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 15:03:42 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55J3gS44831 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:03:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g55J3fJ44823 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:03:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from TMBG37@aol.com) Received: from TMBG37@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id i.118.1285c9b7 (4232) for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:03:24 -0400 (EDT) From: TMBG37@aol.com Message-ID: <118.1285c9b7.2a2fba7c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:03:24 EDT Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Spam To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10503 Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: TMBG37@aol.com Ok, i hate to say it, but at this point, all this discussion about what to do about spam has filled up my inbox more than all the spams put together! geez... ==================================================== Evil lurks where you least expect it... So check your sock drawer. ==================================================== From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 15:19:59 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55JJxb45444 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:19:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: from frigg.maxweb.com (frigg.maxweb.com [206.31.2.32]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g55JJwJ45436 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:19:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from colleenanne@maxweb.com) Received: from frigg.servers.maxweb.com [206.31.2.32] by frigg.maxweb.com (SMTPD32-7.04) id A44F730118; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:19:46 -0400 Received: FROM talula2 BY frigg.servers.maxweb.com ; Wed Jun 05 15:19:22 2002 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01c20cc5$e64530e0$2d3091d0@consolidate.internal.maxweb.com> From: "Colleen McClanahan" To: Subject: Re: TMBG: Limiting posting to reduce spam, your opinion? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:19:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Colleen McClanahan" I sent this twice before, and it didn't show up. If you get this twice, my apologies. :) Please email me (personally) and let me know it showed up. As one of the people that originally complained about the spam to Mr. Bicknell, I DO find it an issue that we need to resolve. Why? Because I am absolutely inundated by spam every day already. I've had the same email address for years, have posted to publically available lists, and have a website, all which drives more and more spam to me. There are some pretty simple solutions to regulating spam on a mailing list like this (I'm all for solutions 1 and 2, being required to register for the list to post.) I don't find either of these limited or unreasonable solutions. If the buggers want to spam us, at least make them go through the trouble of signing up for the list (almost no spammers will). I work for a web company that provides hosting and email (among other things), and spam is a serious problem for us. I have over 50 different rules on my personal email account through work that deletes spam before it gets to me, yet I still get 15+ pieces of spam a day. After awhile, it gets on your last nerve. Suggestions for those dealing with an inundation of spam: 1) Unless you've specfiically signed up for a piece of email that's coming into your inbox, do NOT click the 'Unsubscribe' link at the bottom of the email. That just tells whomever's spamming that that's a valid email address, and they'll send you more and sell your name to others. 2) Avoid putting your email address too many places on the web, or create an account specifically for this reason. Spammers search for email addresses listed on websites, message boards, etc. I'm guilty of not having followed this rule enough until recently. 3) Encourage people not to include your name in mass CC: s (usually when you're being forwarded some tripe about some little kid needing a new big toe which he'll get when you forward this to 50 people, and get a $25 gift certificate to the Gap) When people forward these pieces on (and on and on), they rarely take time to clean it up and delete the email addresses listed in the email, which has the potential to get to a spammer. Also, don't send out forwards with a long list of CCs, if there's a chance that it will get forwarded. ("Do unto others," etc.) 4) Encourage people not to enter your email address on one of those, "Send this really cute page with the annoying dancing smiley faces to all of your friends!" Often times this just gives your email address (and that of the person that sends it to you) to a spammer. 5) If you use AOL, use a separate screenname you never plan to use for email to visit chatrooms. Spammers sit and wait for you to enter the chatroom, then take the screen name and use it for spam. 6) Don't follow any link in a piece of spam, no matter how tempting it might be. There is no free lunch, and by supporting a spammer you're showing them that their method of "marketing" is acceptable. If you have any question about the validity of a spam (or forward), check out http://www.snopes.com . Spam is more than annoying, it preys upon the ignorant and just plain stupid. It takes up bandwidth, the actions interrupt email services for good ISPs that have no clue that their clients are spamming (bleah, I've dealt with this), and it invades your privacy. This message is brought to you by fans of They Might Be Giants and Colleen's Personal Crusade Against Spam :) Colleen Anne From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 15:39:07 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55Jd7v46194 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:39:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55Jd7m46188 for tmbg-list-majordom@tmbg.org; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:39:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bicknell) Received: from smtp.vzavenue.net (smtp.vzavenue.net [66.171.59.140]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g55JcDJ46123 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:38:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zaph@fruhead.com) Received: from fruhead.com ([63.100.163.74]) by smtp.vzavenue.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id ABG06562 (AUTH zaph); Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CFE688B.819D5FDD@fruhead.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:37:47 -0400 From: lawrence solomon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.7-10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, ja, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: tmbg-list@tmbg.org Subject: Re: TMBG: Limiting posting to reduce spam, your opinion? References: <003b01c20cc5$e64530e0$2d3091d0@consolidate.internal.maxweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lawrence solomon Colleen McClanahan wrote: > 1) Unless you've specfiically signed up for a piece of email that's coming > into your inbox, do NOT click the 'Unsubscribe' link at the bottom of the > email. That just tells whomever's spamming that that's a valid email > address, and they'll send you more and sell your name to others. that's actually not true anymore. I've found that the places that offer systems like that are more likely to follow the law and remove you as you instruct them to., and I've managed to greatly cut down on the spam I get that way. the ones that *don't* include a link are the ones to be careful of - don't reply to them asking to be removed. usually those with links are somewhat legitimate organisations that will remove you. if they sell your name to someone else, they would have anyway. > 2) Avoid putting your email address too many places on the web, or create an > account specifically for this reason. Spammers search for email addresses > listed on websites, message boards, etc. I'm guilty of not having followed > this rule enough until recently. or if you do put it on the web, mangle it so a bot can't easily parse it. (tabs and spaces sometimes work, but I'd recommend putting it backwards or spelling it out, or spelling it out backwards, or something - people who look at it will be able to figure it out) > 3) Encourage people not to include your name in mass CC: s (usually when that's usually how the list gets subscribed to a spam list, I think. someone sends something to their entire address book. > 5) If you use AOL, use a separate screenname you never plan to use for email > to visit chatrooms. Spammers sit and wait for you to enter the chatroom, > then take the screen name and use it for spam. correction: if you use AOL, give up, you're never going to get rid of the spam. get a real ISP instead. :) > 6) Don't follow any link in a piece of spam, no matter how tempting it might > be. There is no free lunch, and by supporting a spammer you're showing them > that their method of "marketing" is acceptable. If you have any question > about the validity of a spam (or forward), check out http://www.snopes.com . and if you have a really fast connection (like a T3 at work or something) and can find the IP address they came from, feel free to launch a denial of service attack against them. :) (actually, that's a joke - don't do that, because you'll get in trouble, and I'd get in trouble for recommending it) > Spam is more than annoying, it preys upon the ignorant and just plain > stupid. It takes up bandwidth, the actions interrupt email services for good > ISPs that have no clue that their clients are spamming (bleah, I've dealt > with this), and it invades your privacy. the internet was so much better before the insane marketing people invaded it. popup ads, email spam, animated banners that tell you you've won something or have a message waiting for you, spyware products, etc. they all ruined it. (oh, and speaking of spyware, for anyone who hasn't already, download and run Ad-Aware. you can get it from www.lavasoft.nu, and it will remove all those awful things from your computer that both generate ads and send your private, personal information to greedy moneygrubbing thieves... er, marketers. if you use KaZaa, you'll have to download KaZaa Lite from www.kazaalite.com, because KaZaa itself will not run unless you leave the spyware on your machine) From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 16:18:22 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55KIMg47250 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:18:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: from gn-sterling.sterl.com (host08.sterl.com [209.122.15.200]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g55KILJ47242 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:18:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from karinh@sterl.com) Received: from semail02.STERLING.COM ([207.95.186.44]) by gn-sterling.sterl.com (NAVGW 2.5.1.19) with SMTP id M2002060516152728434 for ; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:15:27 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: NON-TMBG: Spam X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:21:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: NON-TMBG: Spam Thread-Index: AcIMxIrlPCqrbo5/R5y8c1jbCMpW+wACZY7Q From: "Karin Highfield" To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ussenterprise.ufp.org id g55KILJ47243 Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Karin Highfield" Yeah, but we're not spam, we're your friends.... kinda hard to tell the diff sometimes, huh?? > -----Original Message----- > From: TMBG37@aol.com [mailto:TMBG37@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:03 PM > To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org > Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Spam > > > Ok, i hate to say it, but at this point, all this discussion > about what to do > about spam has filled up my inbox more than all the spams put > together! > geez... > > ==================================================== > > Evil lurks where you least expect it... So check your sock drawer. > > ==================================================== > From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 16:55:18 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55KtIT48187 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:55:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: from dhcp9586174.columbus.rr.com (dhcp9586174.columbus.rr.com [24.95.86.174]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g55KtHJ48178 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:55:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwmiller@dhcp9586174.columbus.rr.com) Received: (from mwmiller@localhost) by dhcp9586174.columbus.rr.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g55Kvkr16549 for tmbg-list@tmbg.org; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:57:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:57:46 -0400 From: mwmiller@columbus.rr.com To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Spam Message-ID: <20020605205746.GB16430@columbus.rr.com> References: <118.1285c9b7.2a2fba7c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <118.1285c9b7.2a2fba7c@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Message-Flag: Feel a draft? http://security.greymagic.com/adv/gm001-ie/ Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mwmiller@columbus.rr.com On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:03:24PM -0400, TMBG37@aol.com wrote: > Ok, i hate to say it, but at this point, all this discussion about > what to do about spam has filled up my inbox more than all the spams > put together! geez... Who *are* There May Be Giants? -- Matthew W. Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 17:00:40 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55L0eP48362 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:00:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: from gn-sterling.sterl.com (host08.sterl.com [209.122.15.200]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g55L0dJ48354 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:00:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from karinh@sterl.com) Received: from semail02.STERLING.COM ([207.95.186.44]) by gn-sterling.sterl.com (NAVGW 2.5.1.19) with SMTP id M2002060516574511372 for ; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:57:45 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: NON-TMBG: Spam X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:03:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: NON-TMBG: Spam Thread-Index: AcIM1BoHDcY4mRj4R9mqcfOsd0JquAAAEBWw From: "Karin Highfield" To: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ussenterprise.ufp.org id g55L0dJ48355 Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Karin Highfield" Who?? There May be What? What are you talking about? You must be in the wrong place, bud. This is the spamlist. teehee > -----Original Message----- > From: mwmiller@columbus.rr.com [mailto:mwmiller@columbus.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:58 PM > To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org > Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Spam > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 03:03:24PM -0400, TMBG37@aol.com wrote: > > Ok, i hate to say it, but at this point, all this discussion about > > what to do about spam has filled up my inbox more than all the spams > > put together! geez... > > Who *are* There May Be Giants? > -- > Matthew W. Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com > From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 17:42:35 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55LgZN49575 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:42:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: from smtp.mailix.net (smtp.mailix.net [216.148.213.132]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g55LgXJ49567 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:42:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bryce@tmbg.org) Received: from [10.0.8.10] (helo=calcium) by smtp.mailix.net with smtp (Exim 4.01) id 17FiY4-0005rL-00 for tmbg-list@tmbg.org; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:42:32 -0700 Received: by calcium (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:42:32 -0400 Received: from 208.22.73.21 ( [208.22.73.21]) as user bryceland.com@bryceland.com@mailix-imap.frontend by webmail2.namezero.com with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:42:32 -0400 Message-ID: <1023313352.3cfe85c889c93@webmail2.namezero.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 17:42:32 -0400 From: Bryce To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org Subject: Re: non-TMBG: spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 208.22.73.21 Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bryce Believe it or not, I've actually eliminated all spam from my AOL account, ever since I started filtering out everything that doesn't match my list of expected senders. I use the AOL address whenever I have to supply an email address to a website whom I suspect might sell it or spam me with it themselves. The only downside is that I can't get any mail from people whose addresses/domains I don't know, but... gee, that's not much of a downside really, is it? Hey, I just got a killer idea. Suppose your email client could mock up an SMTP error message claiming that your address doesn't exist, and send that off as a reply to the spam. There's no way I could be the first person to have thought of this (these things never work that way), so it must exist already. Does anybody know of any software that does this? If not, I'm trademarking it right now. I'll call it, um, let's see, how about "SpamCloaker." Or something. Bryce There's nobody here who can pick up. From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 19:29:13 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55NTDV51999 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:29:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g55NTDQ51992 for tmbg-list-majordom@tmbg.org; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:29:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bicknell) Received: from mail.mv.k12.wa.us (mail.mv.k12.wa.us [164.116.116.150]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g55MwGJ51391 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 18:58:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pzickler@mv.k12.wa.us) Received: by mail.mv.k12.wa.us from localhost (router,slmail V5.1); Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:55:14 -0700 for Received: from [164.116.116.139] [164.116.116.139] by mail.mv.k12.wa.us [164.116.116.150] (MailWarden 5.1.0.1069 (SLmail Add-On Edition)) with ESMTP id 2DBDE84C77DB11D694B300E0183E0552 for ; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 15:55:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: pzickler@mail.mv.k12.wa.us Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200206050604.g55641J30260@ussenterprise.ufp.org> References: <200206050604.g55641J30260@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:58:13 -0700 To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org From: "Paul Zickler" Subject: TMBG: Re: dial-a-song: new? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-SLUIDL: 380B8BEE-78D511D6-94B300E0-183E0552 Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Paul Zickler" "Au Contrere" is a song I've never heard before, and it's super awesome. Now, I'm certainly not the source for all things Giant, but I did subscribe to a year's worth of Unltd, plus I've got a bunch of other unreleased stuff people have shared with me, and I've never even heard this song mentioned. Can it be there's a truly NEW TMBG song out there? I hope so! It's terrific in any case: highlights include cheeky refs to FDR, Jodie Foster, and Gandhi; a distinctively Flansy guitar solo; and an insane Marvin Gaye ending (from "What's Goin' On"). I'm so happy! Now I just wish I could go see Gigantic tomorrow in Seattle instead of going to (grrrr) meetings. But I do have my tickets for the EMP Kids Show in July! Yippeee!!! Life is good. PZ From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 22:15:50 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g562FoU56197 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:15:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.173]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g562FnJ56189 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:15:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xornom@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 19:15:44 -0700 Received: from 64.12.107.48 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:15:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.12.107.48] From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org Subject: Re: TMBG: I got my first one. Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:15:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2002 02:15:44.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[1019E9D0:01C20D00] Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Lyndy: >A car and a convertee > > >I just got my first car and I want a "GIANT DRIVING COMPELATION" *(sorry >if i spelt that worng) > >so yeah. what would be the ultimate TMBG CD/tape compelation to listen to >while driving ??? Hmmm...Rest Awhile? Come on and wreck my car? Mink Car? Subliminal? -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Wed Jun 5 22:23:33 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g562NXL56420 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:23:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g562NXH56414 for tmbg-list-majordom@tmbg.org; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:23:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bicknell) Received: from frigg.maxweb.com (frigg.maxweb.com [206.31.2.32]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g561gwJ55497 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:42:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from colleenanne@mail.maxweb.com) Received: from frigg.servers.maxweb.com [206.31.2.32] by frigg.maxweb.com (SMTPD32-7.04) id AE1C34F00CE; Wed, 05 Jun 2002 21:42:52 -0400 Received: FROM COLLEEN BY frigg.servers.maxweb.com ; Wed Jun 05 21:42:51 2002 -0400 Message-ID: <003501c20cfb$7a7c5b50$046d96ce@COLLEEN> From: "Colleen Anne McClanahan" To: Subject: Re: TMBG: Limiting posting to reduce spam, your opinion? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 21:42:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Colleen Anne McClanahan" Oops, I sent this to only Lawrence earlier, rather than to the entire list. Thanks for pointing that out. :) Lawrence Solomon: | Colleen McClanahan wrote: | | > 1) Unless you've specfiically signed up for a piece of email that's coming | > into your inbox, do NOT click the 'Unsubscribe' link at the bottom of the | > email. That just tells whomever's spamming that that's a valid email | > address, and they'll send you more and sell your name to others. | | that's actually not true anymore. I've found that the places that offer | systems like that are more likely to follow the law and remove you as | you instruct them to., and I've managed to greatly cut down on the spam | I get that way. the ones that *don't* include a link are the ones to be | careful of - don't reply to them asking to be removed. usually those | with links are somewhat legitimate organisations that will remove you. | if they sell your name to someone else, they would have anyway. I think that still holds true. Recently, my mother (forgetting my advice) went and "unsubscribed" from every piece of spam she had, and receives about 6 or 7 times the amount of spam that she used to (most of it porn related). If it's a legitimate site you entered your email address at once upon a time, or an affiliate of that, go ahead and unsubscribe but do it with caution. I think they're less likely to sell your email address if they can't prove it's legitimate (as they would if you unsubscribed, which shows that you received it.) | > 2) Avoid putting your email address too many places on the web, or create an | > account specifically for this reason. Spammers search for email addresses | > listed on websites, message boards, etc. I'm guilty of not having followed | > this rule enough until recently. | | or if you do put it on the web, mangle it so a bot can't easily parse | it. (tabs and spaces sometimes work, but I'd recommend putting it | backwards or spelling it out, or spelling it out backwards, or something | - people who look at it will be able to figure it out) I'm wondering what bots are catching onto these days. Unfort | the internet was so much better before the insane marketing people | invaded it. popup ads, email spam, animated banners that tell you | you've won something or have a message waiting for you, spyware | products, etc. they all ruined it. The pop-ups, etc, suck, but I don't begrudge all of it. Content has to be paid for (as we learned after the days of the .com boom and bust), and money has to come from somewhere. The internet is a remarkable mostly free resource, but the money has to come from somewhere. Not everyone wants to or can afford to pay for all the content they receive on a daily basis, and legitimate marketers are providing us with that. Those that use spam, spyware, and endless strings of popups, and use deceptive tactics need to be thwarted, however. | (oh, and speaking of spyware, for anyone who hasn't already, download | and run Ad-Aware. you can get it from www.lavasoft.nu, and it will | remove all those ... I also think Ad-Aware is a valuable resource. We shouldn't have things installed on our computers that report back to marketers without our permission. It's just plain creepy, among other things. If you don't already have it installed, I recommend it. You'll be surprised how many pieces of spyware show up. If you do have it and haven't updated it lately, install the RefUpdate tool which will download new spyware definitions. (as a note, I've received three pieces of spam in the time it's taken to type out this reply, about 15 minutes.) Colleen Anne From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Thu Jun 6 01:01:15 2002 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g5651Fh59593 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:01:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org) Received: from sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (sccmmhc01.mchsi.com [204.127.203.183]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g5651EJ59585 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 01:01:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from itsfuntosteal@mchsi.com) Received: from c128776a ([12.217.73.165]) by sccmmhc01.mchsi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020606050109.IBKS2006.sccmmhc01.mchsi.com@c128776a> for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2002 05:01:09 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c20d17$4b3700e0$a549d90c@mchsi.com> From: "Jackie York" To: References: Subject: Re: TMBG: I got my first one. Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 00:02:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Jackie York" NyQuil Driver? Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: Re: TMBG: I got my first one. > Lyndy: > >A car and a convertee > > > > > >I just got my first car and I want a "GIANT DRIVING COMPELATION" *(sorry > >if i spelt that worng) > > > >so yeah. what would be the ultimate TMBG CD/tape compelation to listen to > >while driving ??? > > Hmmm...Rest Awhile? Come on and wreck my car? Mink Car? Subliminal? > -- > May the light shine upon thee, > Nathan > DinnerBell@tmbg.org > http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #54-6 *****************************