Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest #11-12 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 11, Number 12 Monday, 12 October 1998 Today's Topics: Non-TMBG: Abortion, Conservatives, etc Re: Non-TMBG: Abortion, Conservatives, etc TMBG: Sin City Re: NON-TMBG: Sifl & Olly Re: TMBG: Who Here is Uptighy? NONTMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... Re: NONTMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... Re: TMBG: Who Here is Uptight? Re: TMBG: posters, politics Re: TMBG: tmbg on "universal buzz" Re: TMBG: Atlanta show... aww yeah... TMBG: atlanta show Re: NONTMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... TMBG: snl NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: TMBG: snl Re: TMBG: atlanta show Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 TMBG: penn&teller TMBG: Pen and Teller Non-TMBG: Du... Du Hast... Again... TMBG: Penn and Teller Re: Non-TMBG: Du... Du Hast... Again... TMBG: TMBG-Sin City Re: TMBG: Pen and Teller Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Re: NONTMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... TMBG: New List Person! Re:NON-TMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... Non-TMBG: Abortion debate Re: TMBG: New List Person! Administrivia: If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing send mail to tmbg-digest-request@tmbg.org for instructions on how to be automatically removed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. --------------------------------------------------------------------- tmbg-list is digested with Digest 3.5b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981011090144.0125957c@mail.utexas.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:01:44 -0500 From: Mitchell Harding Subject: Non-TMBG: Abortion, Conservatives, etc >I have a question. If 1 hour after the baby was born I went up and stuck a >pair of scissors into its skull and ripped its brain out, would you find >this wrong? I am assuming NOT, since 1 hour before the exact same operation >is done but merely inside of the mother. I fail to see a difference myself, >but perhaps you could explain it? If we put the "baby" (it is now a baby >correct, whereas an hour before it was a fetus?) into a container, and then >through the container we ripped its brain out, would that be more ok? > >Also, the only reason people call them "fetus" is because its a word that >doesn't carry meaning. Fetus, sounds like a disgusting thing, I think that's >why it was chosen. Have you ever heard a pregnant woman say "I shouldn't eat >that, its not good for my fetus?" Or "I'm having a fetus?" NOBODY says that. This should all be in a private post. The list hardly needs to listen to either side of this debate. Harf, Mitch "Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/index.html Support the Harf Project: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/harfproj.html All your questions answered, all your problems solved: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mitch/ask820/ask820.html ------------------------------ Message-Id: <199810110910.RAA28647@vector.wantree.com.au> From: "Carla Stagles" Subject: Re: Non-TMBG: Abortion, Conservatives, etc Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:06:32 +0800 > This should all be in a private post. The list hardly needs to listen to > either side of this debate. Here here! Shut up you guys. carla ------------------------------ From: Leo Bicknell Message-Id: <199810111432.KAA29624@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Subject: TMBG: Sin City Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:32:48 -0400 (EDT) I may have just missed this as I haven't been reading the list the past few days, but I just saw an ad that They will be on Penn and Teller's Sin City Spectacular tonight. It's on FX, please watch responsibly. :-) -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org Systems Engineer - Internetworking Engineer - CCIE 3440 Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:07:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Justice Subject: Re: NON-TMBG: Sifl & Olly Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Scott Reed wrote: > P.S Does anyone know if there are any sites w/ Sifl & Olly stuff: sound > bits, video, other? Decent samples but slow access: http://216.49.10.245/si/sifl-n-olly-webjump/sounds.html Official S&O homepage: http://www.sifl-n-olly.com kj -- justicek@edge.net (Kim Justice) http://edge.edge.net/~justicek We are what you made us. -- Miri ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19981011151837.28848.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Michael Fink" Subject: Re: Re: TMBG: Who Here is Uptighy? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:18:36 PDT >But sure, this person can call him/herself a conservative, that's fine. But, >maybe this person should look up the term "reactionary" in the dictionary. > > I think it is cool that we can know each other's political affiliation, but let's leave it at that. I really don't want to start reading through all my TMBG mail and see a war going on of people bitching at each other over their political opinions. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that's great, but carry on these battles off of the list. "People should get beat up for stating their beliefs" Mike *'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'* Boycott Microsoft http://www.vcnet.com/bms *'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:41:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jason A. Glastetter" Subject: NONTMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... Message-ID: Hey, first of all, I don't want to get into the whole abortion issue as it may tear us apart...but I'd just like to point out that once a baby is born it is only a misdemenor (sp?) to leave that baby for dead in some place like a dumpster...I can't remember the time on this, but well, to me killing babies has beceome like becoming an adult...when you are 21 you become a full adult...you get to do everything (18 you get to vote/smoke, 16 you get to drive, etc.)...After a few days of being born, you become a real person where it is murder to kill you, when you are first born it's less of a crime & before you are born, it is currently no crime at all...strange how that works, actually...I tried to leave out opinion & state only what I've been told to be true... jason "Why Must I Be Sad?" Glastetter Surprisingly we got electricity, & the next day we got conected to the web http://www.poingly.com because some music sucks more than others... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981011163856.00e4341c@mail.utexas.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:38:56 -0500 From: Mitchell Harding Subject: Re: NONTMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... At 11:41 AM 10/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hey, first of all, I don't want to get into the whole abortion issue as it >may tear us apart...but I'd just like to point out that once a baby is >born it is only a misdemenor (sp?) to leave that baby for dead in some >place like a dumpster...I can't remember the time on this, but well, to me >killing babies has beceome like becoming an adult...when you are 21 you >become a full adult...you get to do everything (18 you get to vote/smoke, >16 you get to drive, etc.)...After a few days of being born, you become a >real person where it is murder to kill you, when you are first born it's >less of a crime & before you are born, it is currently no crime at >all...strange how that works, actually...I tried to leave out opinion & >state only what I've been told to be true... Enough on this topic! Harf, Mitch "Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/index.html Support the Harf Project: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/harfproj.html All your questions answered, all your problems solved: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mitch/ask820/ask820.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19981011182038.1266.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Who Here is Uptight? Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:20:38 PDT Anon Y Mous wrote: >I'm not responding to anybody in particular, I just saw this title >many >times. > >What's wrong with being a conservative and why are all conservatives >uptight? Uh, IIRC, the original post in this thread was referring to right-brained people, not conservatives, as being "uptight." -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19981011182235.10291.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: posters, politics Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:22:34 PDT Nicole the Wonder Nerd wrote: >>I mean, if you happened to look at the wall and see >>>a >>>Severe Tire Damage tour poster taped to it, wouldn't you carefully >>>remove >>>it from the wall and sneak it back out to the car? Of course you >>>would. >> >>Actually, I probably wouldn't. > >Why the heck not?? Venues commonly put on posters to advertise >upcoming >shows, marked with the date of said show. I'm virtually certain that >they're destined for the trash bin after the show. Why shouldn't >they go >to a fan? I never said they shouldn't. I just said I probably wouldn't take one. Then again, I might. I've never really been in that situation before, so I don't really know how I would react. -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: TMBGibs@aol.com Message-ID: <8d3bf210.3621024c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:09:00 EDT Subject: Re: TMBG: tmbg on "universal buzz" >umm that is an invalid web address. you must've typed it in wrong >><< www.universalbuzz.com >> Try typing http://www.universalbuzz.com Mrs. Me ------------------------------ From: TMBGibs@aol.com Message-ID: <7aaf50a1.3621030c@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:12:12 EDT Subject: Re: TMBG: Atlanta show... aww yeah... Thats because nobody ever asks! ------------------------------ From: wagner@mindspring.com Message-ID: <000b01bdf559$6f555640$ce6356d1@computer> Subject: TMBG: atlanta show Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:55:07 -0400 hi all how's it going. last night was awesome -- tmbg played at the variety playhouse here in atlanta, ga! what a great show. i saw earlier that somebody else that went to the show and posted an email, but i've got a setlist and a great recording of the show -- i was right next to the speakers on the right, and it came out great. anyway, here's the setlist: -severe tire damage theme -she's an angel -doctor worm (1st time) -twisting -battle for the planet of the apes -flans described this one as "neofascist rock." flans was the one to say "people one" -- i think that he said this b/c he's left-handed, just my theory. (for those of you who don't know: while the band was playing, the crowd raises their left hands and shouts "people! people!" and while john and john are playing, the crowd raises their right hands and yell "apes! apes!" it's on severe tire damage. -subliminal -the famous polka -birdhouse in your soul -spider -the guitar -james k. polk (with a cannon confetti explosion) -she's actual size -before the line "SHE'S GOT! ALL THE MONEY..." flans went back to the drumset during the little drum solo, and said "bonham," and the drummer played the drum intro to "rock and roll" by led zeppelin! then flans said "ringo." then he said "gary cheevers" -- everybody cracked up. -particle man (linnel: "a song we learned in the cradle...when we were 18.) -during the quiet, slowed-down verse, linnell played a verse from "kumbaya." funny as hell -i am not your broom -until my head falls off -s-e-x-x-y -they got lost -older -spy -mr. tambourine man -weird music, flans orchestrating the whole forum -- pointing to a member of the band and they'd play a note or a little snippet or something, when he pointed to the crowd everybody yelled. -another one of the planet of the apes songs, i forget which one. it's the one on severe tire damage where some of the people say "c minor, c minor!" -whistling in the dark -don't let's start -shoehorn with teeth, and they played it a second time -- how it sounds when you fast-fwd through it on a cd. funny as hell. -spiraling shape -new york city -you stole my eye (?) ("you stole my eye, you stole my eye. it was the only eye i had...") -ana ng (started out kinda quiet and then built up at the chorus) -why does the sun shine? 1st encore: -exquisite dead guy -- ON PUPPET HEADS ON LONG POLES!!!! i had read about this on the internet, but it's so cool to see! the heads look like dollheads or something, it was so funny, so cool. i wish i had a camera. -mammal (linnel's principle behind this song: "this song is about stuff that you didn't ask to know, and you don't need to know. that's what this song is about: stuff you don't need to know.) -doctor worm -- a second time! linnell sang "the boys are back in town" during the acapella 3rd verse. 2nd encore: istanbul if you live in atlanta and you missed the show or you couldn't get tickets (it sold out), you missed one great show. i can't wait for the next time they swing by atlanta. the opening act was good -- mike shelley. they're a good band, but most of their songs sounded the same. there was this guy in the front row in a red shirt that wouldn't stop talking during shelley's set, and shelley noticed this -- when he finished singing a line he said "hey red shirt, shut up!" he did this a couple of times, it was hilarious. okay, that's it for me. david (wagner@mindspring.com) [Attachment omitted, unknown MIME type or encoding (text/html)] ------------------------------ From: KdsInThHal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:10:49 EDT Subject: Re: NONTMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... i think people should take this into consideration... no matter what your beliefs are, and no matter how much you debate about it, you're not going to make someone of the opposing side say "oh now wait a minute! i get your point! wow, i've been a moron all along!" no, it's not going to happen. i could go off and tell you all my opinions about it, but i'm not going to. sarah ------------------------------ Message-Id: <199810112209.SAA03149@angels.heaven.net> From: " Eric" Subject: TMBG: snl Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:08:49 -0400 Did anyone watch SNL last night?? did the maakies have another appearance?? i missed it....:-( ~Eric "Action" Jackson~ [Attachment omitted, unknown MIME type or encoding (text/html)] ------------------------------ From: gray42@juno.com Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:02:27 -0400 Subject: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Message-ID: <19981011.180317.9966.0.gray42@juno.com> Here's a fun flame war/non flame war question to throw about. What does everyone think of the idea that all music is basically the same? Afterwards, mix in the subject line and re-ask yourself the same question. Have fun Mysterio Gal (This question was inspired by musical genius-- Sir Millard Mulch.) "Little David is all grown up. Too bad for the cause of Good!" --Negativland MST3K#88182 gray42@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4871 The Official Project Omicrom website: www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/9007 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: KdsInThHal@aol.com Message-ID: <8b34fab2.36212d90@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:13:36 EDT Subject: Re: TMBG: snl In a message dated 10/11/98 6:11:21 PM, balloon@netheaven.com writes: >Did anyone watch SNL last night?? did the maakies have another appearance?? > > i missed it....:-( nope, it was "best of dana carvey". ------------------------------ Subject: Re: TMBG: atlanta show Message-ID: <19981011.194654.9927.0.captainmarvel2@juno.com> From: captainmarvel2@juno.com (Derek A Klein) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:48:25 EDT >i've got a setlist and a great recording of the show -- i was right next to the >speakers on the right, and it came out great Are you planning on making copies of the show? Derek "What is everyone staring at?" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19981012002215.23430.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:22:14 PDT >What does everyone think of the idea that all music is basically the >same? It depends on what you mean. There are obviously similarities between all music, or it wouldn't all be called "music." There are great differences between certain pieces of music, though. Take emotional responses, for instance. If all music is basically the same, why would I laugh at one song, cry at another, and have no reaction whatsoever to yet another? >Afterwards, mix in the subject line and re-ask yourself the same >question. I don't really understand this part. Mix in the subject line? "What does everyone think 1 of the idea 4 that all music is basically 5 the same?" "What does everyone think of 1 the idea that all 4-5 music is basically the same?" I'm pretty sure that wasn't what you intended for me to do. -- May you live in interesting times, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005001bdf576$82be5660$9690af80@rayst.udel.edu> From: "Harlan Landes" Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:23:12 -0400 >>Afterwards, mix in the subject line and re-ask yourself the same >>question. > >I don't really understand this part. Mix in the subject line? "What >does everyone think 1 of the idea 4 that all music is basically 5 the >same?" "What does everyone think of 1 the idea that all 4-5 music is >basically the same?" I'm pretty sure that wasn't what you intended for >me to do. I think the original poster meant 1-4-5 as in a chord progression common in rock, popular, and classical music. (There's more 1-4-5 in Mozart than all of popular music! :>) If you're confused about what a chord progression is, it's just a way of structuring the harmony of the song over its course. harlan ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19981012004902.26933.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Gaither Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 ---Harlan Landes wrote: > >>Afterwards, mix in the subject line and re-ask yourself the same > >>question. > > > >I don't really understand this part. Mix in the subject line? "What > >does everyone think 1 of the idea 4 that all music is basically 5 the > >same?" "What does everyone think of 1 the idea that all 4-5 music is > >basically the same?" I'm pretty sure that wasn't what you intended for > >me to do. > > I think the original poster meant 1-4-5 as in a chord progression common in > rock, popular, and classical music. (There's more 1-4-5 in Mozart than all > of popular music! :>) If you're confused about what a chord progression is, > it's just a way of structuring the harmony of the song over its course. Boy, do I feel silly! I have a music degree and blanked at the 1-4-5 at first. Duh. While a good chunk of music fits that scheme, not *all* music does. I'm going to venture out on a limb and guess that the name Arnold Schoenberg means nothing to the original poster (Mysterio Gal, was it?). Then there's all kinds of Eastern music that blows 1-4-5 out of the water. > harlan Observing how well the title reflects her guitar playing, Inspector Over the Mine === http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/1054/index.html I tried in vain to drive myself insane; I talk to myself but I don't listen. --Elvis Costello _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: gray42@juno.com Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:58:55 -0400 Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Message-ID: <19981011.205923.9966.2.gray42@juno.com> On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:23:12 -0400 "Harlan Landes" writes: >>>Afterwards, mix in the subject line and re-ask yourself the same >>>question. >> >>I don't really understand this part. Mix in the subject line? "What >>does everyone think 1 of the idea 4 that all music is basically 5 the >>same?" "What does everyone think of 1 the idea that all 4-5 music is >>basically the same?" I'm pretty sure that wasn't what you intended >for >>me to do. > >I think the original poster meant 1-4-5 as in a chord progression >common in >rock, popular, and classical music. (There's more 1-4-5 in Mozart >than all >of popular music! :>) If you're confused about what a chord >progression is, >it's just a way of structuring the harmony of the song over its >course. You are correct sir. >harlan Mysterio Gal (good at short messages (not the best)) "Little David is all grown up. Too bad for the cause of Good!" --Negativland MST3K#88182 gray42@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4871 The Official Project Omicrom website: www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/9007 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: gray42@juno.com Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:07:48 -0400 Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Message-ID: <19981011.210815.9966.3.gray42@juno.com> On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Danielle Gaither writes: >---Harlan Landes wrote: >> >>Afterwards, mix in the subject line and re-ask yourself the same >> >>question. >> > >> >I don't really understand this part. Mix in the subject line? >"What >> >does everyone think 1 of the idea 4 that all music is basically 5 >the >> >same?" "What does everyone think of 1 the idea that all 4-5 music >is >> >basically the same?" I'm pretty sure that wasn't what you intended >for >> >me to do. >> >> I think the original poster meant 1-4-5 as in a chord progression >common in >> rock, popular, and classical music. (There's more 1-4-5 in Mozart >than all >> of popular music! :>) If you're confused about what a chord >progression is, >> it's just a way of structuring the harmony of the song over its >course. >Boy, do I feel silly! I have a music degree and blanked at the 1-4-5 >at >first. Duh. > >While a good chunk of music fits that scheme, not *all* music does. >I'm going >to venture out on a limb and guess that the name Arnold Schoenberg >means >nothing to the original poster (Mysterio Gal, was it?). Then there's >all >kinds of Eastern music that blows 1-4-5 out of the water. ah yes, I must say that Schoenberg does ring a bell, tho' I don't exactrly know where from. Could've been the short lesson of the American/Eastern man who combined American and Eastern music to come up with something new (if this isn't the same man, and someone knows the true name of this person, I'd like to know who did this) I listened to this music, and almost cried with joy, because of it's fantastic beauty. As for 1-4-5, that Is just one of many examples, but I only felt the need to use this particular example. >> harlan >Observing how well the title reflects her guitar playing, >Inspector Over the Mine Mysterio Gal (who gets the strange feeling that she's not making any sense) "Little David is all grown up. Too bad for the cause of Good!" --Negativland MST3K#88182 gray42@juno.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4871 The Official Project Omicrom website: www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/9007 >=== >http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/1054/index.html > >I tried in vain to drive myself insane; >I talk to myself but I don't listen. >--Elvis Costello >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:32:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Axelrad Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Message-ID: > While a good chunk of music fits that scheme, not *all* music does. I'm going > to venture out on a limb and guess that the name Arnold Schoenberg means > nothing to the original poster (Mysterio Gal, was it?). Then there's all > kinds of Eastern music that blows 1-4-5 out of the water. Woo! Music theory on the list! Well, I have been in a couple theory classes and I have heard Schoenberg. I dunno...Schoenberg and the whole 12 tone rows thing is a little too weird for my taste but it illustrates a good point... There has been a lot of experimenting with music throughout the years and it has been learned that 1-4-5 is pleasing to our ears...so people use it. I don't think there is a problem with this as long as people do this in an interesting way. I mean, there are several 1-4-5 TMBG songs that pop into my mind... Destination Moon, New York City, Out of Jail and others... but there are also a lot that aren't 1-4-5. And all TMBG songs have interesting lyrics and instrumentation. I only have problems with groups that have 90% 1-4-5 songs that are all the same guitar heavy alterna-grunge sounding stuff. -- Jish TMBG.net and the EFnet #TMBG page http://www.tmbg.net/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19981012013658.3397.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:36:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Gaither Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 ---gray42@juno.com wrote: > ah yes, I must say that Schoenberg does ring a bell, tho' I don't > exactrly know where from. Could've been the short lesson of the > American/Eastern man who combined American and Eastern music to come up > with something new (if this isn't the same man, and someone knows the > true name of this person, I'd like to know who did this) I listened to Schoenberg was the guy who purported the 12-tone system. Without going into the finer points of it, it involves taking the 12 notes of the chromatic scale and arranging them in a certain order, then playing with the arrangements (I've done reports on the man in 2 languages; I know his stuff inside and out!). I don't think he's the one you're talking about. Perhaps you mean John Cage, but I couldn't be sure of that, either. Lots of American composers in this century have toyed with Eastern concepts; it would be difficult to pin down just one. > this music, and almost cried with joy, because of it's fantastic beauty. > As for 1-4-5, that Is just one of many examples, but I only felt the need > to use this particular example. 1-4-5 is very prevalent in what music theory professors call "common practice." This includes just about all popular music and most classical music until around Wagner. > >> harlan > >Observing how well the title reflects her guitar playing, > >Inspector Over the Mine > > Mysterio Gal (who gets the strange feeling that she's not making any > sense) You're making enough sense to me. I can't speak for anyone else. Wondering if she should rethink becoming a music professor, Inspector Over the Mine === http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/1054/index.html I tried in vain to drive myself insane; I talk to myself but I don't listen. --Elvis Costello _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Tmbg4life@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:41:51 EDT Subject: TMBG: penn&teller they rocked. they kicked ass. they played dr.worm. flans was rocking on his guitar. and linnell was jamming on his accordian. it was SWEET ------------------------------ Subject: TMBG: Pen and Teller Message-ID: <19981011.224215.10311.0.captainmarvel2@juno.com> From: captainmarvel2@juno.com (Derek A Klein) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:43:42 EDT Okay, so who *didn't* see Dr. worm coming? Anyway, for all who didn't see it, it kicked ass!! Flans was all over the place, and Linnell sounded great! Now my question: I know there were seven people on stage, so besides the Johns and Dan Hickey, what were the names of the people in the band? Derek "What is everyone staring at?" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19981012024440.12372.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Josh Buckland" Subject: Non-TMBG: Du... Du Hast... Again... Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:44:39 PDT Why not beat the living hell out of a dead and rotting horse???? Why lingre, when you can dwell??? Why return, when you could always rehash???? Why talk about live performances, when you could talk about the meaning of Du Hast????? Well, most of us remember our little discussion about weather or not Du Hast meant You Have, or You Hate... Well, my friends, I have a definant answer (I hope). If you disagree, don't hold it against me, I'm not the Messia of german folks. This is for people who didn't see the #4 video in MTV's "Breakin' the Law" music video countdown, and also those who saw it but did not pick up on the following (you may have been cookin' bacon or takin' a piss). In the video, it said something to affect of: "It is illeagle to commit a hate crime (IN GERMAN, DU HAST MEANS "YOU HATE"). I hope that was proof enough. If not, well then, fuck off. (Just kidding!!!) Well, I'm off to slap my bitch, see y'all 'round!!! P.S. Last week I completed my collection with the purchasing of "Apollo 18"!!! Hooray for me!!! Josh Buckland dilbert_2000@hotmail.com ICQ#: 17262308 contact me! http://profiles.yahoo.com/LeChuck/ Mandrake: Colonel! Colonel, I must know what you think has been going on here! Guano: You wanna know what I think? Mandrake: Yes! Guano: I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and you were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts. Now MOVE!! --"Dr. Strangelove OR How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: TMBG: Penn and Teller Message-ID: <19981011.225532.10311.3.captainmarvel2@juno.com> From: captainmarvel2@juno.com (Derek A Klein) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 22:57:12 EDT Oooohhh...They're gonna be playing again! Linnell's on keyboard this time. The suspense is killing me! Derek "What is everyone staring at?" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19981012025625.5738.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:56:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Danielle Gaither Subject: Re: Non-TMBG: Du... Du Hast... Again... ---Josh Buckland wrote: > Why not beat the living hell out of a dead and rotting horse???? Why > lingre, when you can dwell??? Why return, when you could always > rehash???? Why talk about live performances, when you could talk about > the meaning of Du Hast????? Oy, not this again. > Well, most of us remember our little discussion about weather or not > Du Hast meant You Have, or You Hate... Well, my friends, I have a > definant answer (I hope). If you disagree, don't hold it against me, I'm > not the Messia of german folks. Um, OK. > This is for people who didn't see the #4 video in MTV's "Breakin' the > Law" music video countdown, and also those who saw it but did not pick > up on the following (you may have been cookin' bacon or takin' a piss). > > In the video, it said something to affect of: > > "It is illeagle to commit a hate crime (IN GERMAN, DU HAST MEANS "YOU > HATE"). Yes, I did see that. It made me want to punch out my TV. > I hope that was proof enough. If not, well then, fuck off. (Just > kidding!!!) Well, I'm off to slap my bitch, see y'all 'round!!! OK, remind me to write MTV a nastygram for propagating bullshit. I have had 5 semesters of German and spent a month there this last summer, so I think my command of the German language is at least decent. I was hoping I wouldn't have to go into the grammatical details, but my dear Josh, you have forced me to do so. The sentence, when finally completed, is "Du hast mich gefragt." "Gefragt" is the participle of the verb "fragen," which means "to ask." In German, a participle cannot exist on its own; it has to have the rough equivalent of what English-speakers call a helping verb. This is where the "hast" comes in. It is the du form of "haben," (meaning "to have") which is the proper "helping verb" for most German participles. Put a bit more simply, "Du mich gefragt" would not make sense in German. The "hast," coming from the verb for "to have" is required. Besides, the du form of "hassen" (to hate) would be spelled and pronounced differently. > P.S. Last week I completed my collection with the purchasing of "Apollo > 18"!!! Hooray for me!!! Congrats! Now to work on your Mono Puff collection. ;) > Josh Buckland dilbert_2000@hotmail.com Incorporating her academic experiences into real life, Inspector Over the Mine === http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/1054/index.html I tried in vain to drive myself insane; I talk to myself but I don't listen. --Elvis Costello _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Alterian@aol.com Message-ID: <18e8787.362171fd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:05:33 EDT Subject: TMBG: TMBG-Sin City Let me express my rage. Very very cool that they were on Dr. Worm was great But They Got Lost.....HOW DARE THEY RUN THE CREDITS DURING THAT AND CUT OFF THE SONG BEFORE ITS EVEN OVER!!! ARG! Some of us take precious time out of our shedule, and look what they do. I'm very very upset. Just like 120 minutes all over again -Amber the Alterian ------------------------------ From: tmbgirl@juno.com Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:02:44 -0600 Subject: Re: TMBG: Pen and Teller Message-ID: <19981011.210248.18774.4.TMBgirl@juno.com> >Now my question: I know there were seven people on >stage, so besides the Johns and Dan Hickey, what were the names of the >people in the band? uhm... this tour has two johns and three dans... J. Flansburgh J. Linnell D. Hickey (drums & glock.) D. Miller (Geetar & keyboards) D. Weinkauf (bass) as far as the other two people... i'm gonna guess Jim O'Conner (trumpet) and well... the other person could be one of many people... dan levine, tim newman, hmm... i dunno, i'd have to have seen it. take it easy, JOrdaN http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: Alterian@aol.com Message-ID: <57406289.36217528@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:19:04 EDT Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Now I feel really really dumb. Can someone explain fully what 1-4-5 chord progression is? Sounds kinda interesting. I'm a selft teaching guitarist so I don't know all these fancy terms and such. I just pick up my guitar and play chords or if I'm lucky tabs if I can find good ones. -Amber the Alterian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:37:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Axelrad Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Message-ID: Well...1-4-5 refers to the number of notes from the key that you are in. This is way easier to explain with examples: If you are playing a song that is in the key of C major then a 1-4-5 chord progession would go: C - F - G C being the chord in the key of C major which is on the first note in the key. F being the chord in the key of C major with its root on the 4th note of the key. G being the chord with its root as the 5th note of the key. Usually after the 5 it will go back to 1 because 5-1 is a very powerful sound. So often you will hear 1-4-5-1. In fact that is probably the most popular progression in rock :) You can also have progression that are other numbers of course such as 1-5-6-4 which is a favorite of mine. In C major that would be C - G - Am - F. The A is Am because you are working in the key of C... so there are no sharps and flats...so a chord based on A becomes Am. The only slight complication is in minor keys where the unwritten rule is that the 5 chord is always major. So if you followed a 1 - 4 - 5 in the key of Am you would think it would be Am - Dm - Em because there are no sharps or flats in the key of Am. However, we make the Em into E because the 5 chord is much more effective as a major chord and we get Am - Dm - E. And I guess the whole point is that the 1-4-5 progression is intrinsically pleasing to our ears :) -- Jish TMBG.net and the EFnet #TMBG Home Page http://www.tmbg.net/ On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 Alterian@aol.com wrote: > Now I feel really really dumb. Can someone explain fully what 1-4-5 chord > progression is? Sounds kinda interesting. I'm a selft teaching guitarist so I > don't know all these fancy terms and such. I just pick up my guitar and play > chords or if I'm lucky tabs if I can find good ones. > -Amber the Alterian > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Axelrad Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 Message-ID: I probably was over some people's heads in the last post anyway but I didn't explain that last part correctly. In minor keys the 7th key in the scale is usually made sharp. This is called the harmonic minor. It allows more pull back to the first note by making the interval between 7 and 1 a half step instead of a whole step. The effect of this is also making the 5 chord major instead of minor. (in the Am example the 7th would be G...it would be made G#...therefore making Em into E). This allows the 5 chord to more effectively pull to 1 Sorry if that was hard to understand... I just didn't like my previous explanation -- Jish TMBG.net and the EFnet #TMBG Home Page http://www.tmbg.net/ ------------------------------ From: KdsInThHal@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:50:40 EDT Subject: Re: NON TMBG: 1-4-5 In a message dated 10/11/98 11:49:12 PM, jish@cmu.edu writes: >I probably was over some people's heads in the last post anyway but I >didn't explain that last part correctly. doesn't matter. this entire thread is over my head. i'm just opening the messages, skimming 'em, and hitting "delete". :) ------------------------------ From: Batbrain99@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:25:43 EDT Subject: Re: NONTMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... [Attachment omitted, unknown MIME type or encoding (message/rfc822)] Hi, Everyone. I'm Emar. If you were at the TMBG show Saturday night in ATL, I was the tall guy in the Clerks shirt down in front, bouncing about. General salutations to all. Also, does anyone have a bootleg of that show? I *know* I saw *someone* with a cassette deck... You can have my sooooul! From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Mon Oct 12 00:32:47 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA20973 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb1-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.134]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA20963 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18069 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 1998 04:32:42 -0000 Received: from dial-105-25.ots.utexas.edu (HELO crackhead-jesus) (128.83.176.169) by umbs-smtp-1 with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 04:32:42 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981012043324.012d87e4@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: mitcharf@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:33:24 -0500 To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org From: Mitchell Harding Subject: Re:NON-TMBG: Babies Raped & Freezing... Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Mitchell Harding >However, it's not the same with abortion. They should at least get their laws >in order! It's wierd, somewhere back east a babies birthday is the day he was >actually...whats the word... concepted? cant think of the word. too late. need >coffee. so anyway, the baby is alive before its born. it has a soul, a >heart, a brain, etc. the chilling part is it knows whats happening to him. >No mom, dont kill me! ARrrggghhh!!! First the booze, now this! Hmmm... ok, >you got an opinion out of me. >Abortion sucks! GAh! Enough! Why the harf do you people persist in posting messages to the newsgroup whose only possible result will be to piss people off and cause a flame war? Hell, you're causing me to cause a flame war over these damn posts. Abortion, like many things in life (ie religion) is an issue that doesn't permit discussion -- any attempt will descend into an intractable debate that will inevitably lead to the conclusion "We have different basic assumptions, and therefore we'll never agree." It gives people an excuse to feel righteous about whichever side they are on. So just stop with the damned posts, ok? I'd like to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone one of you that HASN'T posted a message about this and has refrained from posting one even though you really want to, even though you disagree with what is being said, even though you support what is being said and wish to add your opinion, or whatever. It's a pointless argument, and even if you think the argument can be productive, this certainly isn't the right forum for it. In closing, harf. Harf, Mitch "Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/index.html Support the Harf Project: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/harfproj.html All your questions answered, all your problems solved: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mitch/ask820/ask820.html From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Mon Oct 12 00:47:55 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA21947 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb2-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.136]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21938 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29361 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 1998 04:47:51 -0000 Received: from dial-105-25.ots.utexas.edu (HELO crackhead-jesus) (128.83.176.169) by umbs-smtp-2 with SMTP; 12 Oct 1998 04:47:51 -0000 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19981012044833.012b9e34@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: mitcharf@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:48:33 -0500 To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org From: Mitchell Harding Subject: Non-TMBG: Abortion debate Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Mitchell Harding And no cheating by posting a message of the following form: "Ok, I'll stop talking about this, but I just want everyone to know that " Let's just make it verboten to post your opinions on abortion. And yes, this is my clever way of trying to get the last word. (And I think we all know what the last word should be -- it starts with an h) Harf, Mitch "Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/index.html Support the Harf Project: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/harfproj.html All your questions answered, all your problems solved: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mitch/ask820/ask820.html From owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Mon Oct 12 00:52:50 1998 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA22515 for tmbg-list-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f71.hotmail.com [207.82.250.157]) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA22506 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 00:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3721 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 1998 04:52:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19981012045216.3720.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.217.185.246 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:52:15 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.217.185.246] From: "Josh Buckland" To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org Subject: Re: TMBG: New List Person! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:52:15 PDT Sender: owner-tmbg-list@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Josh Buckland" Welcome, welcome, welcome! I hope you subscription to the list is an enjoyable one, and may you learn alot. Make this be known as an official welcome. And don't listen to what tyhey say about me, it's all historical nonsince. Josh Buckland dilbert_2000@hotmail.com ICQ#: 17262308 contact me! http://profiles.yahoo.com/LeChuck/ Mandrake: Colonel! Colonel, I must know what you think has been going on here! Guano: You wanna know what I think? Mandrake: Yes! Guano: I think you're some kind of deviated prevert. I think General Ripper found out about your preversion, and you were organizing some kind of mutiny of preverts. Now MOVE!! --"Dr. Strangelove OR How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #11-12 ******************************