Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest #2-220 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 2, Number 220 Wednesday, 7 August 1996 Today's Topics: Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-218 Re: New TMBG Single Re: tDevo/misc/Graham Maby A TMBG Related Story Graham Re: New TMBG Single FW: New TMBG Single Re: New TMBG Single Re: A TMBG Related Story Re: A TMBG Related Story Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-219 TMBG and Mono Puff on Dr. Demento 8/4/96 Everyone thank Kevin! Re: No Subject (fwd) O'Tann Re: A TMBG Related Story Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-219 *Australian John Henry* One Tiger to Another (fwd) contacting Hello bands Re: contacting Hello bands %Debt% DEBT! IRC Graham Maby Re: Graham Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-219 Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-219 thought this was kinda cool..... Administrivia: For all administrative issues, such as change of address, withdrawal from the list, etc., send a message to the following address: tmbg-digest-request@tmbg.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 00:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: cowgods@teleport.com (CowGod) Subject: Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-218 >Before I get too diverse here, I'd rather see your ideas of artists in this class. I'd like to see some of the ideas that make TMBG enthusiasts a cut above the garden variety music listeners. Perhaps some votes for albums that will never die... Hmm.. I haven't participated in a while, but, what they hey, I'll throw in my two pennies. Bob Dylan. Lyrical mastermind. Nice music too. Eric Clapton. Master of the guitar. Pink Floyd. Obvious. Sonic Youth. One of the very first 'alternative' bands for sure. The Cure. Phenomenal. Talking Heads. Odd, funny, talented. Kraftwerk. Not wonderfully sounding compared to what's around now, but the first techno/industrial band. I can't think of any more that have impacted industry.. so I'll stop. The Almighty Cowgod "I'm goin' down to Cowtown, the cow's a friend to me..." -They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hall-Bachner <particle@servtech.com> Subject: Re: New TMBG Single > >I heard the new single, Metal Detector twice this weekend on the radio. >I thought it wasn't going to be released for a while or is this now the >new one? You're kidding, right? I know the single isn't out yet, and I'm sure that the radio Promo CD's wouldn't be released without Leo or Shep (our friendly neighborhood DJ) knowing about it. /---------------------------Joshua Hall-Bachner---------------------------\ | particle@servtech.com http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/ | | "Life is like a jigsaw. You get the straight bits, but there's something| \-----missing in the middle."--XTC, "All Of A Sudden (It's Too Late)"-----/ ------------------------------ From: "Harlan Landes" <spike@UDel.Edu> Subject: Re: tDevo/misc/Graham Maby Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:31:29 -0400 > From: stevie@interport.net > Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 02:22:12 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: DEVO/misc > > Furthermore, a trivia question: does anyone know when and if Graham Maby > (Joe Jackson's bass player) toured w/ TMBG? I'm not sure whether I saw him > w/ Them a few years ago or not. Also, has he played on any of Their > recordings, other than the WDTSS ep? > Thanks for any info, guys. Graham Maby started touring with They last December. If you saw They a few years ago, it is most likely you saw Tony Maimone (from Pere ubu). Graham also played on John Henry: No One Knows My Plan and A Self Called Nowhere. Harlan lincoln@tmbg.org ------------------------------ From: wglodell@baraboo.com (Leda Glodell) Subject: A TMBG Related Story Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 07:52:54 -0500 Yesterday, me and my friend were walking to his house from mine carrying all my they albums. Once we got there we realized we lost flood. An hour or so later, We were coming back to my house and there was flood sitting there a block or so from my house. The case had no cracks or anything and it looked odd, seeing my near mint-condition flood sitting there. Then, the seond i touched it to pick it up it started pouring. It wasn't even raining before. It seemed like god was waiting so the lurics sheet didn't get soaked. We practically did have a floode, the water level on the streets was about 4 inches. That probably was stupid and boring... I have nothing else to write... Wyatt ------------------------------ From: gmn7y@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:48:21 -0400 Subject: Graham Stevie was asking whether or not Graham has toured with TMBG. All I know is that he was definitely playing bass with Them when I saw Them at the Fairfax Fair in June. Am I the only unfortunate soul who can't attend the 9:30 Club Aug 16 show because the MCAT is the very next day? Greg ------------------------------ From: "BlueDawg" <idiotnot@visi.net> Subject: Re: New TMBG Single Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:50:41 -0400 : > : >I heard the new single, Metal Detector twice this weekend on the radio. : >I thought it wasn't going to be released for a while or is this now the : >new one? : : You're kidding, right? I know the single isn't out yet, and I'm sure that : the radio Promo CD's wouldn't be released without Leo or Shep (our friendly : neighborhood DJ) knowing about it. I'll wander over to the FM side tonight and see if they've gotten it there. I haven't heard anything, but we don't get much new music on a talk station. S. M. Bergeron idiotnot@visi.net, bluedawg@tmbg.org, BlueDawg on IRC, Jeep Driver Hey, check out my website!! http://users.visi.net/~idiotnot/ ObWittySig: "You're supposed to sit on you ass and nod at stupid things; man that's hard to do."--Warren Zevon, "Bill Lee" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:10:17 PDT From: Ryan_Shepard@xn.xerox.com (Shepard,Ryan) Subject: FW: New TMBG Single : >I heard the new single, Metal Detector twice this weekend on the radio. : >I thought it wasn't going to be released for a while or is this now the : >new one? : : You're kidding, right? I know the single isn't out yet, and I'm sure that : the radio Promo CD's wouldn't be released without Leo or Shep (our friendly : neighborhood DJ) knowing about it. Saw my name....thought I'd interject. I haven't seen it yet, nor have I seen it mentioned in any of the trade magazines.....and WBER, for all its pathetic programming, would have it. Granted, we didn't play anything off of John Henry, which is a bit irritating. shep www.tripod.com/~RoadTrip/index.html "Shep.......the name means QUALITY!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:35:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Braaaaad <tutterow@stlcop.edu> Subject: Re: New TMBG Single > >I heard the new single, Metal Detector twice this weekend on the radio. > >I thought it wasn't going to be released for a while or is this now the > >new one? > > You're kidding, right? I know the single isn't out yet, and I'm sure that > the radio Promo CD's wouldn't be released without Leo or Shep (our friendly > neighborhood DJ) knowing about it. It was a bit shocked myself, so I called the radio station (KPNT 105.7, The Point - St. Louis, MO) right after they finished playing it to ask the DJ. He said it was certainly new TMBG. I figured they were playing it to prep for PointFest - they just made that announcement about a week ago. ---Brad tutterow@stlcop.edu ------------------------------ From: Ruprecht76@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:44:43 -0400 Subject: Re: A TMBG Related Story In a message dated 96-08-06 11:40:26 EDT, wglodell@baraboo.com (Leda Glodell) writes: > Yesterday, me and my friend were walking to his house from mine > carrying all my they albums. Once we got there we realized we lost flood. I thought the curse of flood was dead, guess I was wrong... a spooky man named Ike I wish that I could jump out of my .sig ------------------------------ From: Anakin Skywalker <anakin@vader.snc.edu> Subject: Re: A TMBG Related Story Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:16:05 -0500 (CDT) > I thought the curse of flood was dead, guess I was wrong... No, but this _is_ excellent proof that its potency may be wearing off... After all, nothing actually ended up happening to the CD... It just came very close.... ;) May the force be with you. "Within its deep infinity I saw ingathered, and bound by love in one volume, the scattered leaves of all the universe." - Dante ~""`'~~"~''`"~""~"`'""~'~'~~""`"`"<<<Vortex>>>~""~"`'"``"""~"`''`"~"~'`'~"`~"`' Anakin Skywalker - anakin@vader.snc.edu - http://www.atw.fullfeed.com/~pez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:45:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Geoffrey Kinlin <seakin@umich.edu> Subject: Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-219 stevie@interport.net wrote: > Furthermore, a trivia question: does anyone know when and if Graham Maby > (Joe Jackson's bass player) toured w/ TMBG? I'm not sure whether I saw him > w/ Them a few years ago or not. Also, has he played on any of Their > recordings, other than the WDTSS ep? I believe he played on the "O Tannenbaum" 45. I don't remember which song offhand (could be both). -Sean ------------------------------ From: Russ Josephson (303) 516-4722 <russj@btc.adaptec.com> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 96 12:47:01 MDT Subject: TMBG and Mono Puff on Dr. Demento 8/4/96 For the first time in history... TMBG and Mono Puff were both featured on the same Dr. Demento show! Dr. Demento played Particle Man, followed immediately by "Unsupervised, I Hit My Head" on last Sunday's show (8/4/96). He announced the new CD release by Mono Puff, the band member's names, and that JF was a member of TMBG. He usually mentions if someone requested the song, so he probably just picked up the Mono Puff CD, himself. ============================================================================= Russ Josephson http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7158 Berthoud, Colorado, USA mailto:russj@juno.com "... not everyone is passionate about music ..." -- Joe Jackson "I took off the intellectuals, and put on There May Be Giants" -- Gloria "It is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do" -- The Book Of Mormon ============================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Amy <agreen@moo.onu.edu> Subject: Everyone thank Kevin! Remember when I posted that I was so bummed b/c I couldn't go to DC for the show? Well, I mentioned to my friend Kevin (one of the only huge They fans around here) that I would have liked to go. He immediately yelled at me for not telling him sooner and said that since I'd mentioned it, we had to go now. So, since it didn't take much persuasion, I called for my tickets today!!! Woo hoo, DC here I come! I can't wait to meet everyone next Friday! Amy :) cowtown@tmbg.org "Everyone looks naked when you know the world's address..." - TMBG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:20:07 -0400 (EDT) From: *groovechild* <nweave1@tiger.towson.edu> Subject: Re: No Subject (fwd) Looky! I got a message from Space Ghost! I wrote like someone suggested to get TMBG on the show. I wondered if I would see a response, and here it is! I've never gotten email from a cartoon character before. hee hee Nola ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:38:21 -0400 From: SGC2C@aol.com To: nweave1@tiger.towson.edu Subject: Re: No Subject Thanks for watching. I could see what happens!!!!------------------Space Ghost. ------------------------------ From: Matthew James <mjames@justice.loyola.edu> Subject: O'Tann Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:31:59 -0400 (EDT) > stevie@interport.net wrote: > > Furthermore, a trivia question: does anyone know when and if Graham Maby > > (Joe Jackson's bass player) toured w/ TMBG? I'm not sure whether I saw him > > w/ Them a few years ago or not. Also, has he played on any of Their > > recordings, other than the WDTSS ep? > > I believe he played on the "O Tannenbaum" 45. I don't remember > which song offhand (could be both). Yes you are right, it appears here, Graham Maby played on Christmas Cards. Tony Maimone played on O Tannenbaum. Matt -- -----------------Bruce Campbell-Sam Raimi for '96------------------------ Matt James polk@tmbg.org Matt.James.K.Polk@tmbg.org |TMBG|Sleeper "EIREANN GO BRATH!"|Menswe@r|Echobelly| The Ocean Blue|The Beatles|XTC Judybats|Robyn Hitchcock|Cause & Effect| "Hail to the king, baby"-Ash Pogues|Erasure|Warsaw-JoyDivision-NewOrder|Elastica|Blur|Suede|Pulp Smiths|Revenge|Other Two|Moxy Fruvous|Lightning Seeds|SPOCK|Supergrass -------The poor remain poor. Someone has to work at Woolworths.--------- ------------------------------ From: "BlueDawg" <idiotnot@visi.net> Subject: Re: A TMBG Related Story Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:30:28 -0400 : > I thought the curse of flood was dead, guess I was wrong... : : No, but this _is_ excellent proof that its potency may be wearing off... After : all, nothing actually ended up happening to the CD... It just came very : close.... ;) I probably wouldn't have gone back for it so quickly. It's a great CD to experiment with. It's probably the only TMBG CD that I wouldn't care about losing. S. M. Bergeron idiotnot@visi.net, bluedawg@tmbg.org, BlueDawg on IRC, Jeep Driver Hey, check out my website!! http://users.visi.net/~idiotnot/ ObWittySig: "You're supposed to sit on you ass and nod at stupid things; man that's hard to do."--Warren Zevon, "Bill Lee" ------------------------------ From: GoodOmenz@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:02:40 -0400 Subject: Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-219 lets see... cant immagine hotel detective 95 w/o ondine.. both very cool songs... graham also plays bass on No One Knows My Plan and Self Called Nowhere (my two favest JH songs!) and i think he did something on back to skull but i cant remember what... dunno if he toured with them before this a couple questions- do spondee have an album? can i get it on this planet? does anyone have any more info about the They/violent femmes show in albany? hey, that was pretty short! liz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:25:52 -1000 From: psss@pixi.com (Sarah Cooke) Subject: *Australian John Henry* Here's the lowdown on the Australian import John Henry two CD set. I just bought it at Borders. The case is the same size as a single CD case. The front and back look exactly like the original, with a different serial number on the side. The linear notes appear identical as well. The John Henry CD looks the same, except for a small logo that says "Digital Audio Technologies Australia." The second CD looks like the Live in New York CD from the Hello Club, but doesn't say 10/14/94. It contains six songs: Don't Let's Start Ana Ng (alternate version) Partical Man The Statue Got Me High Birdhouse in Your Soul (alternate version) Twistin' These songs are taken from the Live in New York CD and are not new material. The sticker on the CD is confusing, "They Might Be Giants Australian 2 CD Tour Edition." (From an Australian show, I thought.) The original LiNY CD contained 19 songs, including the above six. If you have the John Henry and LiNY CDs, don't buy the John Henry import!! It's expensive- 37 bucks. The LiNY CD is available from the Hello Club with a subscription for the first three years worth of CDs. If you don't want to join the Hello Club, look for a copy of LiNY on the mailing list. Otherwise, don't waste your money, unless you want the CD for collective purposes. Hope this helps. Sarah Cooke "Today, the only constant in life is change." --James Burke ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:12:01 -0400 (EDT) From: *groovechild* <nweave1@tiger.towson.edu> Subject: One Tiger to Another (fwd) Hey kids, here's the final explanation as to why TMBG are no longer making the pretty music on Cartoon Planet. So I'd stop my petitioning if I were y'all. Either way, it was nice of this guy to write to me. I do have hope of having a career after college! --Nola ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:44:12 -0400 From: Cartoon.Planet@turner.com To: nweave1@tiger.towson.edu Subject: One Tiger to Another Hey there, Nola! Greetings from Cartoon Planet. Just wanted to give you a little hello, seeing as you are emailing us from my Alma Mater. Yes, I'm a TSU graduate, and this is living proof that a Tiger CAN get a job in the real world. My name is Jefferson Clay and I'm a writer/producer for Cartoon Planet. As to your question...we're not real fond of TMBG right now. Personally, I love the music, and loved having their song as our theme song, but they wanted too much money to reacquire it for another season, so we said bye-bye. Keep studyin'! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 19:58:53 -0500 (EST) From: horowitz@BIOMED.MED.YALE.EDU Subject: contacting Hello bands <Fred: thanks so much w/ extra sugar on top for the Jay S. G. info!!> > > Oh, while I have you all scouring the earth for info, how about way to > > hear more by other Hello bands. > > Any bands in particular? Yes, actually: *Chaz and the Motorbikes (I know CHarlie Chesterman played with a band called "Scrufy the Cat", but I can't find any of their albums) *Spondee, although I doubt they exist outside of Hello *Dave Schramm: has he ever released any other solo, acoustic stuff? All I've heard him do is w/ Yo La Tengo Are the Candy Butchers in Hello '96? (which I am ordering tommorrow, jeez, took me long enough to scrap $40 together!)..I was talking the the singer from the C.B.'s during a TMBG show a while ago, and he said they were supposed to be releasing a Hello disc, as well as a full-length one of their own... Anyway, thanks for any help... -Andy Obcomplaint: I am going away for only 1 week this summer. During that week TMBG is play TWICE in CT. I an NOT a happy camper. If someone is planning to tape either of the shows, let me know, I have stuff to trade... ------------------------------ From: "Charles Box" <babble@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: contacting Hello bands Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:57:27 -0700 How would I go about joining the Hello CD Club? and getting the past 3 years of CDs? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:55:16 -0800 From: gaufred@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kasey Hicks) Subject: %Debt% TMBG was the answer to a question on the game show %Debt% this evening. I wasn't watching it (someone else told me), but apparently host Wink Martindale read the clue, which went something like "'Don't Let's Start' listing this group's hits, which include 'Istanbul (Not Constantinople),'" and then no one got it. Kasey "I must in hande with my familiar for a newe stratageme." ------------------------------ From: bwhite@ycp.edu Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 22:18:45 EDT Subject: DEBT! Hi all, I was vegging in front of "the tube" watching the new game show "Debt" when what should appear? The "Debt-onator" question of "General Debt" - considered by the producers to be the hardest question on the board and worth $ -500: (this is an approximate quote) "Don't Let's Start" I am the band that has a hit such as "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" Of course, _WE_ know who Wink was, but apparently no one else did... Bryan ------------------------------ From: "BlueDawg" <idiotnot@visi.net> Subject: IRC Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:31:55 -0400 Tomorrow night. irc.dal.net. #tmbg 2100 Eastern. You know the deal. Show up if you wanna. Last one for awhile. S. M. Bergeron idiotnot@visi.net, bluedawg@tmbg.org, BlueDawg on IRC, Jeep Driver Hey, check out my website!! http://users.visi.net/~idiotnot/ ObWittySig: "You're supposed to sit on you ass and nod at stupid things; man that's hard to do."--Warren Zevon, "Bill Lee" ------------------------------ From: ZippyKelp@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: Graham Maby In a message dated 96-08-06 04:08:53 EDT, stevie@interport.net wrote > Furthermore, a trivia question: does anyone know when and if Graham Maby > (Joe Jackson's bass player) toured w/ TMBG? I'm not sure whether I saw him > w/ Them a few years ago or not. Also, has he played on any of Their > recordings, other than the WDTSS ep? > Thanks for any info, guys. > > stevie. If I'm not mistaken, he played on BTS for Ondine & Mrs. Train. I'm soooo happy tonite! Mark PS 12 Monkeys has the power to make lives continue. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:28:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan Staib <97starya@james.hawken.edu> Subject: Re: Graham He has only started touring with them this year. He played on Christmas Cards, WDTSS, 2 and 4 on BTS, and 11 and 14 on JH. Incidentally, he also played bass and guitar (for Joe Jackson) on Statue of Liberty, which is on the XTC tribute. Eric Sanko played bass on 25 O'Clock, which is TMBG and on the same album. Eric was also the bassist on Hello the Band #2, and on Mono Puff (Hello and Right). Is it just me, or does everyone in TMBG play two or more instruments except JF? Does anyone know if Graham is on the upcoming album (ie is Tony gone for good)? I personally think Graham is a better bassist than Tony (as is Eric). They both seem to have more complicated styles, whereas Tony is more 'beat oriented'... but I guess it's probably a matter of personal preference, so don't flame me or anything. PS#1. Is it true that Graham does the bass for Seinfeld? Is there a way to verify this? PS#2. Has anyone else noticed that JL consistently messes up the part in Don't Let's Start where it should go 'When you are alone, you are the cat you are the phone, you are an animal?' He keeps saying 'A animal,' which is probably the worst thing a native speaker can do with the english language while still sane. They don't usually put grammatical errors in their songs ('If there's any more people around' being an exception), so it's quite odd that he should do it frequently. RS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:46:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Kopenec <kopenec@tenet.edu> Subject: Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-219 On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Sean Geoffrey Kinlin wrote: > > stevie@interport.net wrote: > > Furthermore, a trivia question: does anyone know when and if Graham Maby > > (Joe Jackson's bass player) toured w/ TMBG? I'm not sure whether I saw him > > w/ Them a few years ago or not. Also, has he played on any of Their > > recordings, other than the WDTSS ep? > > I believe he played on the "O Tannenbaum" 45. I don't remember > which song offhand (could be both). Actually, he only sang on the song "Christmas Cards" off that 45... *---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message may not be broadcast, reproduced, or by any means transferred, over the Microsoft Network, unless the author (Chris Kopenec) receives a check for the sum of $500, paid in full, by Mr. Bill Gates. Transmission over the Microsoft Network is considered agreement to the above conditions. *---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -=*( Chris Kopenec )*=- -=*( kopenec@tmbg.org )*=- -=*( http://www.chrysalis.org/kopenec/ )*=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:48:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Kopenec <kopenec@tenet.edu> Subject: Re: tmbg-list Digest #2-219 On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 GoodOmenz@aol.com wrote: > lets see... > > cant immagine hotel detective 95 w/o ondine.. both very cool songs... "Hotel Detective 95"? is that a new application for windows 95? ;) *---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message may not be broadcast, reproduced, or by any means transferred, over the Microsoft Network, unless the author (Chris Kopenec) receives a check for the sum of $500, paid in full, by Mr. Bill Gates. Transmission over the Microsoft Network is considered agreement to the above conditions. *---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -=*( Chris Kopenec )*=- -=*( kopenec@tmbg.org )*=- -=*( http://www.chrysalis.org/kopenec/ )*=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 02:12:52 -0400 From: "M.C.I." <mci@cape.com> Subject: thought this was kinda cool..... MCI here. I know I don't post much, but I thought you guys would enjoy this as much as I did. I was driving around before work the other day, when what do I see but a road named Linnel Landing. Alright so it's not so great. But I thought it was kinda cool. -- $^^^$#%^&*$^&#%^#&^&*(&*&#%^%^#%&^&*&*(&*%^#!$&*()&^%$#%^&**(&^$%$#$%^%^*^%$##@%^%$&*%*( If I wasnt shy... - TMBG Youve just had a heavy session of electro- shock therapy. And youre more relaxed than youve been in weeks. All of those childhood traumas magically wiped away. Along with most of your personality. - Orb Tbthpth - MCI mci@cape.com write me! I promise an intelligible reply! ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #2-220 ******************************