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tmbg-list Digest, Volume 3, Number 381
Saturday, 17 January 1998
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TMBG: HIdden Song??
TMBG: no, no, not i, i will survive, right down here on my knees
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TMBG: New Candy Butchers page!
TMBG: Misc. T font - now available for use!:)
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:15:01 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: TMBG: tmbg-list FAQ
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From: echuss@notes.cc.bellcore.com
Message-ID: <8525658E.004A1A0D.00@notes950.cc.bellcore.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:30:48 -0500
>Drosophila! My old friends! I spent a semester breeding the little
>b@$!@rds for a high school genetics project... ahh, the memories. I still
>shudder whenever I see a fruit fly.
>--nicole the wonder nerd
You're sick!!!
:)
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:50:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Anastasia Hunt <ana_ng@rocketmail.com>
Hey guys!!!
I'm back, at least temporarily. What's this about TMBG on SNL? Hot
rumor? What?
Somebody please update me on what's up with tmbg- I've been off the
list for two months now and I feel very lost.
Anastasia
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:32:54 -0600 (CST)
From: John Shaft <sar6396@ksu.edu>
Subject: TMBG: TMBG on SNL
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96L.980116143008.22659B-100000@fox.ksu.ksu.edu>
I would want to see THEM! (just like the movie with the big ants (or was
that aunts)) perform Minimum Wage and I Can Hear You, just for their
simplicity. (Actually I'd like to see James K. Polk with the singing saw
lady).
Scott "the moth in the 'Human Behaviour' video" Reed
Ain't got no pants? Cow don't care!
Jesus died for my sins and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.
When life gives you poop, make poop juice.
I used to be blind, but now I see, but I don't see to well, because I
used to be blind.
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From: PLurie1982 <PLurie1982@aol.com>
Message-ID: <88a89cc7.34bfc7f4@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:49:54 EST
Subject: TMBG: TMBG on SNL
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
when were they on SNL?
will they be on again?
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:04:25 -0700 (MST)
From: J Kuemmerle <J.Kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBG on SNL
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980116135609.28343A-100000@cor>
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, PLurie1982 wrote:
> when were they on SNL?
> will they be on again?
to my knowledge, they have not been on SNL for quite some time, if ever.
most likely they would probably not be on SNL until the release of a new
album. this recent discussion of SNL is speculation about what would be
good songs to play for that venue.
--jim kuemmerle, that ignorant slut...
j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/
(yes, i know the quote is actually "jane, you ignorant slut" but "jim
kuemmerle, you ignorant slut" would take a different and quite unintended
meaning...)
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From: mjames@envy.loyola.edu (Matthew James)
Message-Id: <9801162113.AA06942@envy.loyola.edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBG on SNL
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:13:48 -0500 (EST)
> On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, PLurie1982 wrote:
>
> > when were they on SNL?
> > will they be on again?
>
> to my knowledge, they have not been on SNL for quite some time, if ever.
> most likely they would probably not be on SNL until the release of a new
> album. this recent discussion of SNL is speculation about what would be
> good songs to play for that venue.
>
My guess is that since SNL is only on once a week they have to be more
choosy with their musical guests. Generally, tv shows will pick bands
with albums out recently and TMBG does not have one. But perhaps they
want a band that has a single(s) on the radio a lot and therefore will
be sure that the band will be popular enough to be a) recognized and
b) liked.
Since Leno, Letterman, Conan, etc are on every weeknight they need a
musical guest basically 5 days a week and are less choosy. That's not
to say that the bands that are on the talk shows and not on SNL are
worse, it just means that there's probably a few more
less-known/recognized bands on them.
It seems like TMBG show can recognition more and more and I'm sure they
have, especially since they sell albums worldwide and tour worldwide,
but apparently a lot more bands do that than you might think. I'd guess
it has completely to do with how a band's single is doing on the radio.
Matt
--
Matt James mjames@greed.loyola.edu
Loyola College in Baltimore, MD
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Message-ID: <34C02311.3227552F@mullum.com.au>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:48:41 +0530
From: Michael Duroux <sutra@mullum.com.au>
Subject: TMBG: HIdden Song??
Hi all i'm new to the mailing list and have been a fan of TMBG for quite
some time. The main purpose of this letter is to find out if anyone
knows about a hiddin song on the "Factory Showroom" CD. I found it by
accident and would like to know if anyone else knows about it.
Michael.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:02:03 -0700 (MST)
From: J Kuemmerle <J.Kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: TMBG: no, no, not i, i will survive, right down here on my knees
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980116145016.485A-100000@gos>
hey, all --
as i promised earlier, here is a fresh interp of 'the biggest one'. this
interp was inspired by a comment made offhand to the sadly desaparecido
mike leffel implying that 'the biggest one' had sexual overtones. usually
a skeptic of sexual interps, i decided to try to flesh it out (so to
speak) as a joke, and i was surprised at how coherent the interp ended up
becoming. okay, so maybe not the way i present it. anyway, here it is:
* ----------------------------------
* the water running down that pipe
* looks like a snake to me
water is often a sexual metaphor, particularly when it's running down
something. (listen to led zeppelin's 'lemon song' for an example,
although that's lemon juice.) also as an example, there's an old blues
song (the name of which i forget) that has the lyric 'he boiled my first
cabbage, and he boiled it pretty hot / he boiled my first cabbage, and he
boiled it pretty hot / when he put in the bacon, it overflowed the pot'.
then there's the phallic nature of the pipe and the snake. (for what
that's worth, which prolly isn't much.) couple that with the traditional
use of snakes as a metaphor for imminent danger, and you have the
following: this guy is intrigued by sex, but he also views it as
exceptionally dangerous, most likely from the perspective of 'i'm going to
get hurt emotionally by this'.
* by 'doc's sugar bowl' my coffee gets cold
* 'cause i don't want to see that
* i've got no one to blame but my fat self
i don't know what doc's sugar bowl is -- i'd thought it was in one of the
faq's, but i can't find it. i know it's a tv show of some sort or
another. but anyway, it seems as though this guy's procrastinating stuff
(including, but probably not limited to the drinking of coffee) because he
doesn't want to realize he's to blame. of course, he already realizes
he's to blame, so it's not working.
* i've got no one to blame but my fat self
* i'm the biggest one, i'm the biggest one
* i've got no one to blame but my fat self
another possibility for what the blame is about is that: this guy was in a
failed relationship, and the decline/dissolution of that relationship was
his fault. (or it could even be that he just *thinks* it's his fault; no
real difference there from the interp's point of view.) anyway, the
support for this possibility comes in the next verse:
* should have changed that stupid lock
* should have thrown away the key
* no, no, not i, i will survive
* right down here on my knees...
this is such a direct quote, it's not even funny. there was that whole
'cage and aquarium'/'age of aquarius' thing... this is much more direct.
gloria gaynor's 'i will survive' has a section that goes:
* and so you're back, from outer space
* i just walked in to find you here with that sad look upon your face
* should have changed that stupid lock
* should have made you keep the key
* if i'd've known for just one second you'd be back to bother me
* go on, now, go! walk out the door!
* just turn around now cause you're not welcome anymore
* weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye?
* think i'd crumble?
* think i'd lay down and die?
* oh no, not i! i will survive!
* oh as long as i know how to love i know i'll be alive....
etc., etc....
so, lemme esplain... no, no, there ees no time, lemme sum up.
guy. bad relationship. sex involved. relationship over. guy in the
throes of despair, self-doubt, guilt, and bad coffee. there ya go.
* ---------------------------------------
--jim kuemmerle, that interpin' fool...
j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/
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Message-Id: <m0xtK1q-001JYWC@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 17:14 EST
From: kbrodbec@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu (Kirsten Brodbeck)
Subject: Re: TMBG: no, no, not i, i will survive, right down here on my knees
>water is often a sexual metaphor, particularly when it's running down
>something. (listen to led zeppelin's 'lemon song' for an example,
>although that's lemon juice.)
AAAHHH!! COUNTRY TIME!! Where's Elitza when we need her?!
Kirsten "I love inside jokes" Brodbeck
--
"That's the official rock thing, to speak for a generation, and since
we've completely failed to do that, we're willing to speak for ourselves."
- John Flansburgh, TMBG.
*kbrodbec@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu*Kirsten Brodbeck*AKA Crow*
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From: CButchers <CButchers@aol.com>
Message-ID: <c86a61a6.34bff402@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:57:51 EST
Subject: TMBG: New Candy Butchers page!
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Hi gang,
I've just started on a brand new Candy Butchers page. It's got a bio, MP3's,
tour dates, and discography so far...take a look!
An unofficial Candy Butchers page:
http://members.aol.com/CButchers
Thanks a bunch,
Larry
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From: KdsInThHal <KdsInThHal@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7a44d270.34bff61c@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:06:50 EST
Subject: TMBG: Misc. T font - now available for use!:)
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Well, sorta. I know there was some talk about this before, but i don't
remember what the outcome was.. (if anyone made a real Misc. T font please
point me to it!) But I made a "clip font" - which esentially is just a .gif
file you save to your computer and use like you would clip art. There's every
character too.. (but only one of each letter)... It's at
http://members.aol.com/kdsinthhal/misctfont.gif
Pleeeease download it, and tell me if you do, so I can get the idea of whether
I should go ahead with my Ben Folds 5, Moxy Fruvous, and Sarah McLachlan
fonts. ;)
Enjoooooy!
sarah!
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Message-ID: <0ojzfeu00ayS1mjvI0@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:27:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Lawrence P Solomon <lps+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBG on SNL
Excerpts from internet.music.tmbg: 16-Jan-98 Re: TMBG: TMBG on SNL by J
Kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.ed
> to my knowledge, they have not been on SNL for quite some time, if ever.
> most likely they would probably not be on SNL until the release of a new
I think someone asked that in the Q&A on the official site and they said
they hadn't been on SNL. (but I'm almost certain that if they were
invited, they'd go on)
I have a book about the show and looked up all the musical guests
(there's a list of all shows that gives host and musical guest) and TMBG
didn't appear at all prior to 1994, and I've been a fan since then, so
I've been looking for it. it hasn't happened. it may not happen.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:53:46 -0700 (MST)
From: J Kuemmerle <J.Kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: Misc. T font - now available for use!:)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980116184742.12811B-100000@cor>
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, KdsInThHal wrote:
> Well, sorta. I know there was some talk about this before, but i don't
> remember what the outcome was.. (if anyone made a real Misc. T font please
> point me to it!)
sarah -- point yer web browser in the general vicinity of
http://rampages.onramp.net/~wompedy/TMBDingbats.html
but for some reason i can't get my mac tt version to work. anybody else
have problems along these lines?
> But I made a "clip font" - which esentially is just a .gif file you save
> to your computer and use like you would clip art. There's every
> character too.. (but only one of each letter)... It's at
>
> http://members.aol.com/kdsinthhal/misctfont.gif
esta bueno! i understand your difficulties, being a fellow aspiring
fontographer with no copy of Fontographer... if you want to see some of
my efforts (i may need a new site just for my ever-expanding efforts,)
visit
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/jim.html
but i can't seem to get there right now -- anybody else having problems
with geocities pages these past couple of days?
> Pleeeease download it, and tell me if you do, so I can get the idea of whether
> I should go ahead with my Ben Folds 5, Moxy Fruvous, and Sarah McLachlan
> fonts. ;)
by all means!!
-jim kuemmerle, who is always happy to find another font freak
j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/
*** to be updated pending this geocities garbage getting fixed ***
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Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980117025248.0067daf4@Cybnetonline.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:52:48 -0600
From: "The Lil' Depressed Boy" <NJack@Cybnetonline.com>
Subject: Re: TMBG: Misc. T font - now available for use!:)
>sarah -- point yer web browser in the general vicinity of
>http://rampages.onramp.net/~wompedy/TMBDingbats.html
>
>but for some reason i can't get my mac tt version to work. anybody else
>have problems along these lines?
That is because True Type indeed sucks. I'm not trying this as a bad post,
but True Type has various problems to it. If you can find a copy of Adobe
Type Manager you can use Post Script fonts, wich are good.
When Your Following Angel,
LDB
--
(this site cuts the amount of URL's I put in my Sig)
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TMBG | D.U.M.B. NEWS | Mr. Gone Font
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:09:00 -0700 (MST)
From: J Kuemmerle <J.Kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: Misc. T font - now available for use!:)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980116200715.16064A-100000@cor>
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, The Lil' Depressed Boy wrote:
> >sarah -- point yer web browser in the general vicinity of
> >http://rampages.onramp.net/~wompedy/TMBDingbats.html
> >
> >but for some reason i can't get my mac tt version to work. anybody else
> >have problems along these lines?
>
> That is because True Type indeed sucks. I'm not trying this as a bad post,
> but True Type has various problems to it. If you can find a copy of Adobe
> Type Manager you can use Post Script fonts, wich are good.
no, i don't mean that; i mean i can't get the mac to recognize it as a
valid font file.
--jim kuemmerle, the kind with teeth
j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/
*** update pending the resolution of whatever's messing wi' geocities ***
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:19:53 -0700 (MST)
From: J Kuemmerle <J.Kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: Misc. T font - now available for use!:)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980116201604.16064B-100000@cor>
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, J Kuemmerle wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, The Lil' Depressed Boy wrote:
>
> > >sarah -- point yer web browser in the general vicinity of
> > >http://rampages.onramp.net/~wompedy/TMBDingbats.html
> > >
> > >but for some reason i can't get my mac tt version to work. anybody else
> > >have problems along these lines?
> >
> > That is because True Type indeed sucks. I'm not trying this as a bad post,
> > but True Type has various problems to it. If you can find a copy of Adobe
> > Type Manager you can use Post Script fonts, wich are good.
>
> no, i don't mean that; i mean i can't get the mac to recognize it as a
> valid font file.
okay. i just tried it again, and let me update my description of the
problem. i have in my posession a file entitled TMBFont.sea and a file
entitled TMBFONT_.TTF. i can't get the .sea file expanded, and i can't
get the .ttf file to be recognized. perhaps i should point out here that
the .ttf file may be windows truetype, in which case does somebody here
have something that can convert windows truetype to a mac format? but
even if that's the case, i still don't understand why i can't expand the
.sea file.
--jim kuemmerle, dazed and confused as ever, and still without a cheerful
The Man dingbat to greet him when the sun comes up.
j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/
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