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tmbg-list Digest, Volume 3, Number 388
Saturday, 24 January 1998
Today's Topics:
TMBG: TMBG?: TMBG-list talk
TMBG: list talk
Re: TMBG: sing along box
TMBG: threads | hello stuff
TMBG: TMBG?: TMBG-list talk
TMBG: Here we go again, and again, and again,......
TMBG: Please remove all recipients from the domain VPICO.COM
Re: TMBG: non-tmbg bands: bnl, moxy fruvous, candy butchers???
TMBG: non-tmbg: The List problems
Re: TMBG: non-tmbg bands: bnl, moxy fruvous, candy butchers???
Re: TMBG: non-tmbg bands: bnl, moxy fruvous, candy butchers???
Re: TMBG: BNL (obviously non-tmbg)
TMBG: Lincoln on Vynal for Sale
TMBG: Re: the 'non' subject (loooong)
TMBG: NON-TMBG: I like Tomato Butter & Jelly & Subjects
TMBG: sorry
TMBG: hmm... i seem to remember a thread called 'i want to hear _____'...
NON-TMBG: NON-TMBG: NON-TMBG:
Re: TMBG: hmm... i seem to remember a thread called 'i want to hear _____'...
Re: TMBG: hmm... i seem to remember a thread called 'i want to hear _____'...
Re: TMBG: Here we go again, and again, and again,......
TMBG: the way things useta was
TMBG: the way things useta was . . . part deux
TMBG: mormons
TMBG: Live in NY
Re: Re: TMBG: non-tmbg posts (and new TMBG album question)
Re: Re: TMBG: Here we go again, and again, and again,...... and Russ!
Re: Re: TMBG: Here we go again, and again, and again,...... and Russ!
NON-TMBG: Non-tmbg
TMBG: mormons and balkan dances
TMBG: A Self Called Nowhere
Re: TMBG: A Self Called Nowhere
Fwd: TMBG: mormons and balkan dances
Fwd: TMBG: A Self Called Nowhere
Re: TMBG: A Self Called Nowhere
Re: TMBG: mormons/ hall of mayors
Re: TMBG: mormons/ hall of mayors
Re: TMBG: mormons/ hall of mayors
Re: TMBG: hall of mayors
Re: TMBG: A Self Called Nowhere
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Message-ID: <34C847AC.CFC04C7F@teleport.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:33:01 -0800
From: Kerry Biggs <murmur@teleport.com>
Subject: TMBG: TMBG?: TMBG-list talk
> From: mjames@envy.loyola.edu (Matthew James)
> Subject: Semi-TMBG: TMBG-list talk
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:05:28 -0500 (EST)
>
> NON-TMBG:
> when writing on a subject basically far-removed from TMBG but that you
> feel folks want to hear. Generally, everyone does not go crazy with
> this and type millions of messages totally unrelated to TMBG, or else
> this would be a non-sequitor mailing list.
You see? That's the whole problem that's been pointed out here. There ARE far
too many posts that have nothing to do with TMBG, and a separate list/lists for
the other bands previously mentioned are in dire need here. For the record, I
_hate_ Ben Folds Five, I don't mind Barenaked Ladies but prefer not to discuss
them at great length, and I still haven't listened to the Moxy Fruvous tape I
found at the Goodwill.
> There is a large population of BNL and Fruvous and BFF fans on here and
> to individually mail them all would be nearly impossible. This is where
> the NON-TMBG comes in, if you see it in the subject, you don't read it
> if you don't care to hear about NON-TMBG things. Often, the NON-TMBG:
> is followed by what it's about. Almost all of the NON-TMBG posts I've
> seen have to do with things that many TMBG-listers enjoy and thus
> rarely is there much fuss about it. I guess this is an "understanding"
> and not really something that'd be in the FAQ but it's a great way to
> deal with it.
But, again, unless it directly interests the majority of the list, it should not
be posted here, period. I don't think a lot of what's been posted lately has
really interested the majority of the list. When this happens, lots of people
like myself resort to lurking, and then end up missing out on any bit of relevant
information altogether.
> Which brings me to my second point: at a time like this when TMBG is
> not touring, is not bringing out any new singles or albums, is not
> appearing on TV, it is very difficult to find something that is
> completely related to TMBG. Now if you take the case of the Candy
> Butchers, Mike Viola from the band has played with TMBG. Also, if you
> look at Fruvous, they have opened for TMBG and I think BNL may have as
> well (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going out on a limb on this one).
Neither is even nearly as related as a certain little band called Mono Puff, who
_is_ bringing out a new album soon here. You can't tell me there isn't anything
current to talk about with this going on, can you?
Kerry
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:40:15 -0600 (GMT-0600)
From: Amy Greenlese <amy@strangemud.org>
Subject: TMBG: list talk
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.93.980123033402.2265C-100000@ns.ipresent.com>
someone wrote:
> There ARE far too many posts that have nothing to do with TMBG,
Like this one?
> I don't think a lot of what's been posted lately has really interested
> the majority of the list.
Like this one?
Being a jerk to show you all how stupid this is,
Amy :)
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Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980123114953.0067a630@Cybnetonline.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:49:53 -0600
From: "The Lil' Depressed Boy" <NJack@Cybnetonline.com>
Subject: Re: TMBG: sing along box
At 11:13 PM 1/22/98 -0500, Rachel wrote:
>At 10:16 PM 1/22/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>>> anyone else notice that when you fold up the factory showroom sing along
>>>> box the correct way you can't read some of the lyrics? whats up with
>that!?
>>Wha Singalong Box?
>
>the one that was in the holiday '96 news letter, silly! :)
Aw Too bad I decided to get into TMBG last year. :(
LDB
--
(this site cuts the amount of URL's I put in my Sig)
My Web Page Index:
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:13:58 -0700
Subject: TMBG: threads | hello stuff
Message-ID: <19980123.061406.14278.1.TMBgirl@juno.com>
From: tmbgirl@juno.com (JOda: Master of Yedi)
>To say that semi or totally unrelated chatter will never
>appear on a mailing list will always be a complete lie
>and would probably be rather boring in times like this.
yeahyeahyeah! i don't think most of these people complaining were on here
this summer when there was nothing TMBG related to talk about... pretty
soon we all hated everyone and it was an ugly mess...
if you hate getting excess mail, go to the digest format... sure you
might complain it's a little harder to scroll down past a message that
you don't want to read
>yeah! like "the minus 5" they kick ass.
loser so supreme!
anyways, yeah, a lot of those hello cd's i just threw aside after
listening to them once and planned on never listening to them again...
but, i pulled a lot of them out again and listened to them all over and
now i totally dig some of the bands that i originally hated. i only wish
that hello was still around :(
take it easy, JOrdaN *HELLO-WITHDRAWL*
http://www2.netcom.com/~arnot/joda/bootlegs.html
***the official changer-of-mind!***
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From: mjames@envy.loyola.edu (Matthew James)
Message-Id: <9801231459.AA11479@envy.loyola.edu>
Subject: TMBG: TMBG?: TMBG-list talk
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:59:00 -0500 (EST)
> > Which brings me to my second point: at a time like this when TMBG is
> > not touring, is not bringing out any new singles or albums, is not
> > appearing on TV, it is very difficult to find something that is
> > completely related to TMBG. Now if you take the case of the Candy
> > Butchers, Mike Viola from the band has played with TMBG. Also, if you
> > look at Fruvous, they have opened for TMBG and I think BNL may have as
> > well (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going out on a limb on this one).
>
> Neither is even nearly as related as a certain little band called Mono Puff, who
> _is_ bringing out a new album soon here. You can't tell me there isn't anything
> current to talk about with this going on, can you?
Yes, some folks have heard the John Flansburgh's Mono Puff Syndicate
stuff from their brief tour last year or perhaps have heard their tape
of stuff to be on the new album, but I don't think it's that many
people. Until the album comes out, or that Feb. 5 show comes along,
there will be little discussion. Have you seen anyone post much Mono
Puff lately? I haven't. Has there been much talk about what TMBG's
doing? Not really. Do we just leave the list a wasteland for a month
or 2?
I would like to say that I do enjoy talking about other music subjects
sometimes, but if I don't want to read it, I delete the message,
especially if it has the NON-TMBG header, it's as easy as that.
As far as Mono Puff goes, I am awaiting a new tour, last year's shows
were *INCREDIBLE*, it brought a new liveliness that may not come along
after seeing a number of TMBG concerts, perhaps it was just the change
of songs & group lineup? Poison Flowers, Dashiki, Night Security, all
great stuff!
So there's a little Mono Puff chatter and let's hope TMBG begins touring
soon, too.
Matt
--
Matt James mjames@greed.loyola.edu
Loyola College in Baltimore, MD
Bruce Campbell Gazette: www.bcgazette.com
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From: echuss@notes.cc.bellcore.com
Message-ID: <85256595.0051F73B.00@notes950.cc.bellcore.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:33:07 -0500
Subject: TMBG: Here we go again, and again, and again,......
>if its "obviously not They Might Be Giants" then dont post it!!!
>im really getting sick of getting They Might Be Giants mail that has
nothing
>to do with They Might Be Giants!!!
Here we go again. Every few months this thread starts up.
Since we have now gone down this road so many times,
it is pretty easy to tell what is going to happen. In case you
haven't lived through this we'll review the process. It is a 7 step
process and it goes like this.....
1. People start writing non-tmbg posts. The number of non-tmbg
posts grows until the TMBG related posts are a small minority.
2. Someone posts that they think Non-TMBG related posts are
getting out of hand.
3. An incredible number of posts supporting each side of the issue
are submitted.
4. The number of posts arguing both sides of the issue becomes
so high in number that the actual TMBG related posts become a
small fraction of the actual number of posts and people begin to leave
the list.
5. The list administrator (Leo Bicknell) initiates drastic measures
(moderation) to preserve the orginal intention of the list.
6. Some listees complain but the non-TMBG related posts
diminishes and hapiness returns for a short while.
7. After a sufficient period of time, steps 1 through 6 are
repeated.
Now that we know the process maybe we can eliminate some
of the steps and return to happiness without having to go through
the entire process again and again.
A safe rule for addressing the issue of non-tmbg related posts
comes from basic netiquette guidleines. If you have a non-related
post think before posting, "Is everyone going to want to hear this".
Not every fan of TMBG is a BNL, Moxy Fruvous, or <insert name
of any band name here> fan. You may want to keep this in mind when
posting.
This public service post has been brought to you by "Esperanto Televisions"
-
the bitchinest TVs around. :)
Erik
"Feeling every pocket in my shirt pants and overcoat
I ready to begin but I don't know where I put my notes"
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Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123083627.006a86f0@mail.vpico.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:36:27 -0700
From: "Virgo Publishing, Inc." <virgopub@vpico.com>
Subject: TMBG: Please remove all recipients from the domain VPICO.COM
Please remove all recipients from the domain VPICO.COM
Thank you
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:48:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Josh Woodward <joshw@bgnet0.bgsu.edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: non-tmbg bands: bnl, moxy fruvous, candy butchers???
Message-id: <Pine.OSF.3.95.980123104502.14533B-100000@alpha.bgsu.edu>
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Amadais wrote:
> BNL, Moxy Fruvous, Candy Butchers???
For Fruvous (a great band), check out
http://www.netspace.org/~rjohnson/RA/
If you have realaudio. There's a radio show and the Albany show encoded
here, both great, and reflect Fruvous in their best environment, live!
TMBG content.. hmm.. Moxy Fruvous recently helped record a cover of
Shoehorn With Teeth, with.. uhh.. why can't I remember the other band's
name? Help? :)
* -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Josh Woodward, Comp. Sci, BGSU joshw@mail.bgsu.edu
Web Site and Tape List: http://www.dc-adnet.com/joshw/
"Every little child learns, if you
can't see dreams, your eyes are blind."
- Moxy Fruvous
www.fruvous.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:55:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: "D. Robertson" <dr109@york.ac.uk>
Subject: TMBG: non-tmbg: The List problems
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95L.980123154401.1828A-100000@sgi13.york.ac.uk>
Would it be too much hassle to organise both a moderated and non-moderated
version of the list so that people could subscribe to whichever one they
wanted? Personally I find the volume of mail relating to bands I don't
particulary know or care about, mildly annoying, it's either that or
so-called "humourous" posts. There have been many times when I have
considered unsubscribing from the list due to the lack of non-relevant
posts. I keep on as this is the only real source of information about TMBG
in the UK.
Anyway, that's my twopence,
yours,
__________________________________________________________________
Sometimes Funny, Always Mispelt
Flumcake On-line: http://www.york.ac.uk/~dr109/flumcake
Channel F: http://www.york.ac.uk/~dr109/channelf
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Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123112313.006a6690@130.127.28.14>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:23:13 -0500
From: Adam Tyner <ctyner@CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: Re: TMBG: non-tmbg bands: bnl, moxy fruvous, candy butchers???
At 10:48 AM 1/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>TMBG content.. hmm.. Moxy Fruvous recently helped record a cover of
>Shoehorn With Teeth, with.. uhh.. why can't I remember the other band's
>name? Help? :)
Da Vinci's Notebook, whose CD recently was released, IIRC?
TTYL,
-Adam
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:30:34 -0500
From: Chad Maloney <opercmm@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: non-tmbg bands: bnl, moxy fruvous, candy butchers???
Message-id: <34C8C5AA.DC92BCA0@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu>
Josh Woodward wrote:
> TMBG content.. hmm.. Moxy Fruvous recently helped record a cover of
> Shoehorn With Teeth, with.. uhh.. why can't I remember the other band's
> name? Help? :)
That would be DaVinci's Notebook of course! It is available on their
new album Bendy's Law, along with lots of other great stuff.
Check out http://www.davincisnotebook.com/ for more info!
As for TMBG vs. NON-TMBG, if you don't want to read a message you
get, then delete it. How hard is that? As long as people use good
subjects then you should be able to decide your interest from the
title. If it says NON-TMBG and you are someone who doesn't like talking
about non-tmbg stuff, then delete it.
- Chad "I wish Leffel were here, he'd fix everyone, er... thing" Maloney
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:12:39 -0500
Subject: Re: TMBG: BNL (obviously non-tmbg)
Message-ID: <19980123.113312.12598.0.jbparke@juno.com>
From: jbparke@juno.com (Jeff Parker)
I personally don't mind all of the NON-TMBG posts because I like hearing
about new bands, especially ones I probably wouldn't hear of anywhere
else... But I can sympathize with the people who don't want to read
about any band but TMBG... Since the NON-TMBG posts are interesting to
some of us, why can't we just continue using the NON-TMBG and TMBG
prefixes? It only takes a couple of seconds to delete the off topic
messages and I think all of us who like reading all of the messages would
appreciate it... this seems like kind of a petty thing to argue about...
maybe i'm just biased...
v^v Jeffro v^v
" Why can't we all just get along?"
- You know who
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:04:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "Adam P. Fistler" <apf@lincoln.turkeyfarm.ml.org>
Subject: TMBG: Lincoln on Vynal for Sale
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980123130310.236A-100000@lincoln.turkeyfarm.ml.org>
I have a copy of Lincoln on Vynal (Record) for sale. Make an offer.
Reply directly to me.
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From: KdsInThHal <KdsInThHal@aol.com>
Message-ID: <340927bd.34c8d812@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:49:04 EST
Subject: TMBG: Re: the 'non' subject (loooong)
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
What follows, is a wee bit lengthy. Sorry but I'm in one of those
unsympathetic moods - been up for.. hoo... how long, I lost track.. 2 days?
(btw, if you're going to quote me to reply, DON'T DON'T DON'T quote the whole
message! That's insanely annoying).
**What the HELL is up your butts? <g>**
>>if its "obviously not They Might Be Giants" then dont post it!!!
>>im really getting sick of getting They Might Be Giants mail that has
>nothing
>>to do with They Might Be Giants!!!
>
You must be a newbie. ^_^ *sniff sniff* I smells a newbie!
>i personally think his post was a relevant as the next (hahaaa)... i
>first heard about *BNL* on THIS list and actually i'm quite grateful for
>it... (btw, BNL are going to be on MRL sometime in the near future...)
>in fact i've become very grateful for most of the non-tmbg related
>posts... that's how i found out about *moxy fruvous* whom, living out
>here in the west, i prolly never would've :)
Ditto... sort of. :) But I agree with yas Jordan.
We have the same tastes ergo, we share the gift of music that our TMBG lovin'
friends probably wouldn't have already heard. I mean, this can't happen
without "non-tmbg mail" if you want to get specific. We can't be psychic and
just type in email names at random to talk about bands (at least, I know *I*
can't..) -- When you're at a birthday party, and a group of people who just
met are discussing someone that isn't there, do you say "why couldn't you have
called each other to talk about them?" Okay.. maybe that's confusing... but
the point is, we have to have met somewhere.. and this is the only list out of
all the ones I subscribe to that distributes daily. Before I got into BF5,
there was always talk about them on here, and it didn't concern me, but enough
people here liked them, so I looked into them, and lo 'n' behold, they are now
one of my many favourite bands.
I don't know if you people who have your panties in a knot over this are
newbies or lurkers (I don't really recognize your names) -- but we have
conducted surveys time and time again (boy you probably REALLY would've pissed
around those threads) about ourselves, and find that we're almost like family
-- we're like from the same DNA, but we do argue and have heated discussions
from time to time. ^_^ If it bothers you that much, subscribe to 'digest'
format. Or just SKIP the non-tmbg messages, I DON'T think it's that HARD a
thing to do.
>uhm, where was i going with this post... i know i had a point.. ah well,
>kids, don't try to post after you've been up for two days straight...
>this is the result (and it's not pretty) :)
>
ROTFLMAO..
>I must say that I completely agree with Amadais on this matter. I signed
onto
>this list to learn more about TMBG, not BNL, or Ben Folds Five or anyone
else.
Well then you're committing musical masochism. I feel bad for you, what can I
say. It's your loss..
>There were certain rules we all recieved when we signed onto this, and nearly
>everyone has disregarded them.
LOL.. Obviously a newbie. Hon. Go read some back issues.. Yes we know the
rules but we are only human, and we try to follow them, but hell I lost this
sentence's direction.
>If you find someone on the list who also likes
>other bands, and you would like to talk to them about that band, that's fine.
>But the TMBG list is not the place for it! It is just as easy to Email them
>at their own address without cluttering everyone's mail with things that are
>not related to They Might Be Giants.
Blahblahblah blah blah... If that was the case, how would we have met these
people?
>We all hate getting unwanted mail,
So delete it.
>Please take this into consideration when you next post to the
>list, as I think a lot of people are really getting annoyed with all this non
>TMBG mail.
3 is a lot? Because that's all I've seen so far.. Really if this was THAT bad,
it'd be moderated -- and you'd only get about 3 messages a day, which may be
good for you but this is a *discussion list*.. *discussion* for TMBG and
THINGS RELATED. Things related includes shared interests once in a while. We
are humans (well I know I am).
>yeah! like "the minus 5" they kick ass. but anyway, thats not the point.
>point is: isn't there a bnl or bf5 mailing list somewhere?
Yeah, but they only distribute about twice a month. Mosty boring concert
reviews. :P
>occasional mentioning is totally different than getting 10 out of 20 e-
>mails about a certian band's appearance on snl that i really don't care
>about. i'm not usually a stickler for rules so i'll just say that out of
>common courtesy for those who don't want unnessesary clutter in their mail
>boxes, could you (and you know who you are) please tone it down a little?
>nothing personal.
>
Blahblahblahblahblah. (yes I know damn well I'm being rude. leave me alone.
flame me if you want. I'm cold as it is.) WHEN there is NOTHING minus 1 of
TMBG news floating around, there's NOTHING relevant to talk about. We have our
ups and downs. Like I said above to that other chick, read back issues.
>There is a large population of BNL and Fruvous and BFF fans on here and
>to individually mail them all would be nearly impossible.
I was going to say this in a less organized sentance <g> ;) Thanks Matt.:)
>I believe it is a clever device to use the NON-TMBG,
>it's probably one of the best mailing list techniques I've seen.
>To say that semi or totally unrelated chatter will never appear on a
>mailing list will always be a complete lie
Sure, I mean, I bet the Tupperware list even talks about Rubbermaid from time
to time. ^_^
>working to resore list sanity, :)
>rachel
You think this is bad, you musn't've seen the newsgroup, LOL.
**sarah**
"do I come to your job and jump up and down on the end of the bed?" - Bruce
McCulloch KITH (oh no! It's off topic! I'll be ostracized!)
P(B)S: Don't tell me to lay off. You won't change my opinion. I'm stubborn,
especially when I'm sleep deprived.
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From: Happyfroot <Happyfroot@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3515d1f5.34c8dc41@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:06:55 EST
Subject: TMBG: NON-TMBG: I like Tomato Butter & Jelly & Subjects
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Well, there seems to be a lot of talk on this list about BF5, BNL, etc. etc.
poop crap, I don't care. If it's a subject I'm not interested in I just delete
it, possible deficate on it, & throw it in the trash (kinda like when I get a
letter from get a stupid postcard from "Mr. Electric Company," entitled "Past
Due," I don't want to read crap like that! Come on, I just won't bother).
Anyway, people are pissed off when we talk about other bands on here. So I ask
you, can we talk about Mono Puff? Clearly, Mono Puff does not = TMBG, but yet,
we can make an equation, MP+HC+3/5*rnd*DH=3/4TMBG, (feel free to manipulate
that equation as much as you want). Or Soul Coughing, Frank Black, etc., as
John Flansburgh has relation with these bands, so it's TMBG related in a
different equation (it's so complex that I won't write it).
But, if you limit yourselves to only talk about the band TMBG & NOTHING else,
it REALLY limits things & get things boring, besides I never would have gotten
my accordian samples if we couldn't talk about NON-TMBG things...etc. etc.
Well, to be blunt, there's some value in NON-TMBG (yet TMBG related, despite
how loosely things)
-Jason "Mr. Hanky, the Christmas Poo" Glastetter
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From: DrWormX@aol.com
Message-ID: <53474db8.34c8f420@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:48:46 EST
Subject: TMBG: sorry
im very sorry that I had to get everyone started on this issue just by adding
"(obviously non-tmbg)" to my letter subject. I take every bit of the blame
(even though I don't deserve it), and I suggest we all shut up, stop
complaining about this stupid non-tmbg thing, and get on with our miserable
lives.
matt
turn around, turn around, there's a human skull on the ground
members.tripod.com/~drworm
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:11:30 -0700 (MST)
From: J Kuemmerle <J.Kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: TMBG: hmm... i seem to remember a thread called 'i want to hear _____'...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980123130148.11684B-100000@gos>
:)
i want to hear Them do a cover of 'dance myself to sleep', originally done
by bert & ernie.
i want to hear Them play nightgown of the sullen moon as a
macedonian-style c^oc^ek (pronounced CHO-chek). this would be especially
cool to bring horns out for.
(incidentally -- if you want to hear a good example of a c^oc^ek, listen
to dick dale's cover of 'miserlou' on the pulp fiction soundtrack. of
course, that's a surf c^oc^ek, but you have to dig a bit further to find
the *real* stuff.)
i want to hear Them play a cover of 'alison gross'... the version i know
was recorded by steeleye span on their album 'parcel of rogues'.
i want to hear Them play somewhere out west sometime!!! (for the sake of
all our utahn, coloradan, nebraskan, new mexican, etc. compadres on the
list)
while we're on the subject, ...uh... (the reference to the OTHER thread
here is purely unintentional,)... wouldn't it be cool to hear Their take
on traditional songs (a la bob dylan's 'world gone wrong' and 'good as i
been to you' albums)?
--jim kuemmerle, who doesn't mean to sound TOO bitter about the whole 'out
west' thing; just bitter enough.
j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:37:50 -0700 (MST)
From: J Kuemmerle <J.Kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: NON-TMBG: NON-TMBG: NON-TMBG:
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980123131156.11684C-100000@gos>
1) reread eric's, matt's, and sarah's posts. they have said what they
said better than i ever could.
2) a list devoted STRICTLY to tmbg would be dreadfully unbalanced. i
can't speak for everybody, but i think i speak for a good many listies
when i say that i am a part of this list for the purposes of exploring and
celebrating the sum of what is tmbg-ness. and it's a continuum, sure -- i
mean, it's obvious mono puff has more tmbg-ness than fruvous, which has
more than tom robbins, which has more than discussions of real audio vs.
mp3 vs. whatever, but where do you draw the line? on the surface, a lot
of the NON-TMBG posts are just that, NON-TMBG, but if you examine them
more closely, you begin to see connections where maybe you didn't before.
my favorite example of this occurred last august, when a flip comment
along the lines of 'maybe the Johns are actually deities!' blossomed into
a discussion of ancient greek and roman mythology, which, through various
permutations and among other things, led to a new interp of 'nightgown'
involving hecate, one of the three manifestations of artemis/diana. if
that thread had been cut short, or if it had never come to fruition, we
would never have seen the connections... but this is straying from my
original point, which was that no NON-TMBG would be all yin, no yang;
all heckle, no jeckle, all tomato butter, no jelly...
3) off-topic discussions are fun. 'nuff said. and if you don't have
anything to contribute to an off-topic discussion, you'll probably get to
contribute to another one... it all balances out. alternatively, if you
get sick of all the NON-TMBG posts, how about offering up a new TMBG:
thread yourself? take the initiative! eat the leftover plums in the
freezer! you'll feel better about yourself and others!
4) in addition to being interested in tmbg, i'm also interested in tmbg
fans -- what is it that we have in common that draws us to Their music?
through off-topic discussions, the answers to this question begin to start
to think about emerging. and it's largely through off-topic posts that
the personalities of the list members become apparent... (at least it's
more obvious than in the TMBG posts...) :)
5) all that having been said, i hope that this particular discussion comes
to some sort of resolution soon. i DO NOT want to see this list become
moderated again. no, no, no, no, no.
i think that's all i have to say on the subject right now. oh, um...
never mind.
6) i think particularly helpful in all of this would be a vigilant
updating of the subject line, so that those people not interested in the
NON-TMBG posts might have a better idea of what they're missing. :)
there. *that's* it.
--jim kuemmerle, who KNOWS he's sleep-deprived when he starts using words
like 'fruition' and 'manifestation' and 'permutation'...
j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:36:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Jamal Rogers <rogers@.grin.edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: hmm... i seem to remember a thread called 'i want to hear _____'...
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.980123143447.22564A-100000@euler.math.grin.edu>
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, J Kuemmerle wrote:
> i want to hear Them do a cover of 'dance myself to sleep', originally done
> by bert & ernie.
oooh! and "I don't want to live on the moon." That would rock.
--Jamal
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Message-Id: <m0xvqQP-001Ja0C@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 16:14 EST
From: kbrodbec@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu (Kirsten Brodbeck)
Subject: Re: TMBG: hmm... i seem to remember a thread called 'i want to hear _____'...
>> i want to hear Them do a cover of 'dance myself to sleep', originally done
>> by bert & ernie.
>oooh! and "I don't want to live on the moon." That would rock.
I love that song... I'd like to hear TMBG do a cover of maybe a
Mommyheads song, or something like that..
Kirsten
--
"That's the official rock thing, to speak for a generation, and since
we've completely failed to do that, we're willing to speak for ourselves."
- John Flansburgh, TMBG.
*kbrodbec@remcen.ehhs.cmich.edu*Kirsten Brodbeck*AKA Crow*
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:33:42 -0500 (EST)
From: "Eric Webber (EIN tech)" <webbere@alphaclp.clpgh.org>
Subject: Re: TMBG: Here we go again, and again, and again,......
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980123163105.20687A-100000@alphaclp.clpgh.org>
I have a question, why dosen't someone start a list for all these other
bands? Then maybe the rest of us wouldn't have to delete so much stuff.
Take it easy,
Wubba
---
Eric Webber - Electronic Information Network
desk- 412.622.1944 page- 412.272.1854
webbere@clpgh.org wubba@tmbg.org
p-wolves@mailexcite.com
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From: nmoos1@rachel.chatham.edu
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:45:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: TMBG: the way things useta was
Message-id: <01ISQ13XWQP0C6AIIX@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Hello, all you happy taxpayers.
I seem to recall a recent post where there were all these really
nicely numbered arguments about things... or perhaps more
than one post. well, i refuse to agree with anything that
organized, but i just wanted to say, yay, that was good.
I'm not through yet, of course.
>Things related includes shared interests once in a while. We
>are humans (well I know I am).
Yeah, i want to thank each and every one of you for introducing
me to all sorts of new bands i'd never heard of before...
blah blah blah yackety schmackety. i actually keep a list
in a text file of all the bands people have mentioned, and
whenever i'm about to go out to the used music store down the
street, i print the list out and buy something that's on it.
I forget who it was who first suggested it, but XTC's
Black Sea has been on my tape deck since it was mentioned
some weeks back.
That was way too verbose a reply to that sentence.
Oh, and doesn't it seem like "we are all humans (well i know
i am)" sounds a bit too... insistent?? i mean, nobody's
species is being questioned here, but it sounds as if
somebody's trying to *hide* something, if you get my drift...
--pnaomi "i miss the wanton using-a-quote-for-a-middle-name" moos
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From: nmoos1@rachel.chatham.edu
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:04:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: TMBG: the way things useta was . . . part deux
Message-id: <01ISQ1R7PNJ0C6A9L5@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>
Hmm, it seems in all the confusion i forgot to immanentize the
eschaton... well, i'll try harder next time.
>my favorite example of this occurred last august, when a flip comment
>along the lines of 'maybe the Johns are actually deities!' blossomed into
>a discussion of ancient greek and roman mythology, which, through various
>permutations and among other things, led to a new interp of 'nightgown'
whoa, i never even considered that! jeez, i'm such a maroon!
how else could i constantly feel helpless against the compunction
to fill all five cd slots with tmbg albums and shuffle?
only if they had supernatural powers... of course...
being that i only joined this list in november, i feel obligated
to inform you all that, though you're all beautiful and charming
and special in your own little ways, it's very unfair that i
was left out of this interesting-sounding discussion, and
this better not happen again. so there.
>3 is a lot?
It is when you only have 2 fingers...
(oops, i've already said too much)
>P(B)S: Don't tell me to lay off. You won't change my opinion. I'm stubborn,
>especially when I'm sleep deprived.
What is it with this list and sleep-deprivation? get some sleep,
why don'cha!
--pnaomi, who could still *easily* destroy *all* of you,
but would rather finish eating her macaroni and cheese.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:34:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Nunez <mnunez@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: TMBG: mormons
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.980123173325.19865B-100000@bookworm>
Is it true that They Might Be Giants are Mormons???
Anybody here a mormon??
my friend had told me and so I kind of was wondering now.
Steve
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Message-ID: <01BD2815.51369DC0@s116b.rcn.nmt.edu>
From: Nick Wolf <Refund@nmt.edu>
Subject: TMBG: Live in NY
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:40:52 -0700
Ok...quick question. How may songs are on the Live in NY thing? And what songs are they?
Thank you
Refund
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From: Oilcan1045 <Oilcan1045@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7111371e.34c925cf@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:20:45 EST
Subject: Re: Re: TMBG: non-tmbg posts (and new TMBG album question)
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
I may be kinda bias here because I like BFF, BNL and the Candy Butchers a lot.
But besides that, I think all of the citizens of the list bitching about the
non-tmbg posts should follow this simple advice.
Those in regular format:
1. Look at your list of E-Mail. Delete all with the header NON-TMBG or Free
Sex!.
2. Read the rest of the posts, complaining only when you find one without the
header NON-TMBG with little or no TMBG content.
Those in digest format:
1. When you find a non-tmbg post, scroll down.
I know this may be asking a lot, but if you take these simple steps (which
should take, at tops, two minutes) we won't need all of these non-tmbg posts
ironically complaining about non-tmbg posts. I guess y'all are your own worst
enemies, huh?
In a TMBG matter, can anyone confirm the rumour I heard that TMBG will be
releasing a new album on Restless (or Bar-None, same thing)? I don't wanna
get myself all exited for nothing.
The Young And The Vestless,
Tim Schafer
Esq.
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From: Oilcan1045 <Oilcan1045@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9ec14f22.34c92898@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:32:38 EST
Subject: Re: Re: TMBG: Here we go again, and again, and again,...... and Russ!
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
In a message dated 1/23/98 3:40:11 PM, Wubba wrote:
<<I have a question, why dosen't someone start a list for all these other
bands? Then maybe the rest of us wouldn't have to delete so much stuff.
Take it easy,
Wubba>>
I hope your finger doesn't get strained, because I'm gonna be writing a lot of
them in the near future just to piss you guys off. Oh, and a question. If
you're so rabidly (is that a word?) against non-tmbg posts, why did you just
write one?
In yet another semi-TMBG-related matter, does anyone know where I can contact
the guy who makes the bootleg vid collection? I want to ask him if I he got
the money for an order. Thanks.
Dammit Ware, the wheels are uneven!
Tim Schafer
Phud
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:52:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Eric Webber (EIN tech)" <webbere@alphaclp.clpgh.org>
Subject: Re: Re: TMBG: Here we go again, and again, and again,...... and Russ!
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980123194647.13412A-100000@alphaclp.clpgh.org>
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Oilcan1045 wrote:
>
> I hope your finger doesn't get strained, because I'm gonna be writing a lot of
> them in the near future just to piss you guys off. Oh, and a question. If
> you're so rabidly (is that a word?) against non-tmbg posts, why did you just
> write one?
Writing about the list _is_ a valid topic on the list. Being a jerk is
generally frowned upon though. I'm not rabidly against off-topic posts, I
just prefer not to have more of them then on-topic ones. Besides, all I
did was recommend that lists be started for these other groups. Wouldn't
that be nice for the fans? If you're dedicated enough to be writing lots
of posts about these bands why don't you really show it and start a list?
By the way I do know the info for the guy selling the videos but I tend to
not help out people who are rude.
Take it easy,
Wubba
---
Eric Webber - Electronic Information Network
desk- 412.622.1944 page- 412.272.1854
webbere@clpgh.org wubba@tmbg.org
p-wolves@mailexcite.com
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Message-ID: <34C93E9A.877@geocities.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:06:34 -0800
From: Vladimir Drakul <vlad_drakul@geocities.com>
Subject: NON-TMBG: Non-tmbg
Okay. I'm going to be very blunt and rude and moody. Let me rant.
SHUT THE HELL UP!
Okay, look. I'm a little pissed about this too. I've never got involved in this
age-old debate until now. THINK CAREFULLY, PEOPLE. Those of you on the List who are
getting all pissy about NON-TMBG posts. DELETE THEM. The topic says "NON-TMBG" for a
reason. Those of you on the List that are defending NON-TMBG posts. YOU'RE ADDING TO
THE FRACAS.
Thank you.
LEFFEL, COME BACK!
--
Vladimir Drakul -- http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/7343/
*******************************************************************
"Is everything normal now?" "And crawling on the
"Well, he hasn't got planet's face... some
religious mania, and he's called the Human Race.
not running around in a Lost in time, and lost
circle spouting Gilbert in space...
and Sullivan, so I guess ...and meaning."
he's normal."
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:44:02 -0700 (MST)
From: J Kuemmerle <J.Kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: TMBG: mormons and balkan dances
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980123183803.29446B-100000@yoop>
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Nunez wrote:
> Is it true that They Might Be Giants are Mormons???
> Anybody here a mormon??
> my friend had told me and so I kind of was wondering now.
hmm...
none of my mormon friends over here in SLC have mentioned it...
but, then again, most of my mormon friends over here are folkdancers more
interested in a good jig or ruc^enitsa, and have probably ne'er heard of
tmbg...
the other thing is that most of my mormon friends over here are in their
40s or older...
--jim kuemmerle, who's gonna have to try to write a tmb-ruc^enitsa... any
clues as to what songs would transfer well to a 7/8 rhythm?? anyone??
j.kuemmerle@m.cc.utah.edu
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/4668/
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From: Dr Worm X <DrWormX@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3a0fdd16.34c955bc@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:45:08 EST
Subject: TMBG: A Self Called Nowhere
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
i apologize for getting off of the subject of not having a subject, but...
Did anyone else notice the similarities between A Self Called Nowhere, and one
of those crappy fiona apple songs? Now don't get me wrong, I love ascn, and i
deteste fiona apple, but one of her songs seems like a total rip off of ascn.
Did anyone else notice this, or is it just me?
By the way, getting totally off of the subject...
I just got back from spiceworld, and i'm proud of it.
I had to sneak into the theater, and sit in the back corner (laying low) (this
is after we purchased the tickets) (seven bucks, what a rip...), and it turned
out to be the BEST movie I've ever seen!!!! Seriously, I think it was the
most quality motion picture I've seen since Raw Target (has anyone else seen
this movie? raw target that is).
later,
matt
turn around, turn around, there's a human skull on the ground
http://members.tripod.com/~drworm
If you didn't pick up on it, that was sarcasm
you know, about the movie, anyway...
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From: Shaft137 <Shaft137@aol.com>
Message-ID: <380a57d1.34c968eb@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:07:04 EST
Subject: Re: TMBG: A Self Called Nowhere
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
hi.
>I just got back from spiceworld, and i'm proud of it.
>I had to sneak into the theater, and sit in the back corner (laying low)
>(this is after we purchased the tickets) (seven bucks, what a rip...), and
>it turned out to be the BEST movie I've ever seen!!!!
i doubt that "Spiceworld" can measure up to any double Corey feature, like
"Blown Away." (the one with Nicole Eggert)
here's the TMBG content.
does anyone know who's in the band now? i'm sure Dan is still a-drummin'
away for them, but is Hal Cragin the permanent bassist? will the horn
section return? who? what? how? anyone?
adam schaaf, who spiced up his life, but now it's lost its flavor.
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From: Benmobil@aol.com
Message-ID: <fa3131ed.34c96a35@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:12:32 EST
Subject: Fwd: TMBG: mormons and balkan dances
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From: Spoonerism <Spoonerism@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1fe0c869.34c96d84@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:26:42 EST
Subject: Re: TMBG: A Self Called Nowhere
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
Which Fiona Apple song are we talking about here? I'd really like to compare
them!
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Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123233816.00696720@pop.indy.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:38:16 -0500
From: Rachel <eck@indy.net>
Subject: Re: TMBG: mormons/ hall of mayors
At 05:34 PM 1/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Is it true that They Might Be Giants are Mormons???
>Anybody here a mormon??
>my friend had told me and so I kind of was wondering now.
>Steve
>
>
>
i thought flansie was jewish?
-rachel
ps: i got hall of mayors last month and i didn't really like it that much
at first- i was expecting it to be more like state songs, u kno with all
the poppy, comical word play and what not. but now i absolutely love it,
it's constantly being rewound in my car. i only wish it was longer. anyone
else?
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From: Hj bttrben <Hjbttrben@aol.com>
Message-ID: <35175f7d.34c9758f@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:01:01 EST
Subject: Re: TMBG: mormons/ hall of mayors
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
flansie is jewish. linnel is christian. thats all
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From: Shaft137 <Shaft137@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e4cdd50e.34c97f88@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:43:33 EST
Subject: Re: TMBG: mormons/ hall of mayors
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
hi.
In a message dated 98-01-23 23:43:28 EST, rachel wrote:
<< i only wish it was longer. anyone else? >>
i find that both of John's CDs fit nicely on one side of a 60 minute tape with
Mono Puff on the filp side.
speaking of state songs, does anyone know what exactly Linnell did at the
end of Nevada? it sounds like he taped a passing by parade, then dubbed
his voice over later. just curious.
adam schaaf, insert your own funny quote here, i'm too tired to think of one.
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Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980124011919.0069c3f8@pop.indy.net>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:19:19 -0500
From: Rachel <eck@indy.net>
Subject: Re: TMBG: hall of mayors
><< i only wish it was longer. anyone else? >>
>
>i find that both of John's CDs fit nicely on one side of a 60 minute tape
with
>Mono Puff on the filp side.
>
>speaking of state songs, does anyone know what exactly Linnell did at the
>end of Nevada? it sounds like he taped a passing by parade, then dubbed
>his voice over later. just curious.
>
>adam schaaf, insert your own funny quote here, i'm too tired to think of one.
>
>
i was merely saying that i loved hall of mayors so much i wish there was
more of it. and are you sure it was a 60 minute tape because i tried that
and couldn't fit all of monopuff on the other side. thusly, to avoid the
torment of trying to choose the "better" monopuff songs to fit, i was
forced to leave it blank. see, any time i attempt to make any sort of
compilation tape i always end up leaving out someone's favorite song. of
course if anyone wants to make suggestions as to the monopuff songs that
would work best in the allotted time slot please feel free. this way if
anyone says "oh my god i can't beleive you left out 'insert song name
here'" i can always blame the list. :)
-rachel "big baby, baby mantis" eckstein
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Message-ID: <4omMe9600ayS02Izc0@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:30:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Lawrence P Solomon <lps+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: TMBG: A Self Called Nowhere
Excerpts from internet.music.tmbg: 23-Jan-98 Re: TMBG: A Self Called
Now.. by Shaft137@aol.com
> does anyone know who's in the band now? i'm sure Dan is still a-drummin'
> away for them, but is Hal Cragin the permanent bassist? will the horn
> section return? who? what? how? anyone?
Dan and Hal are the current rhythm section. the horn section will
probably not return until they're touring in support of an album - they
apparently couldn't afford to tour with horns this past fall...
on the non-TMBG idea - to those of you telling people to 'just delete'
the unrelated messages - most people are getting this over a modem. it
takes time to download something. if you've got it, but aren't reading
it, you're wasting your time. only your time is being wasted by someone
who posted something irrelevant. I don't mind suggestions as to other
groups - that's great, it's even in the FAQ ("I like TMBG, what other
groups might I like?")
fortunately, this hasn't degenerated into what the newsgroup has become...
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