Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest #18-8 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 18, Number 8 Tuesday, 8 June 1999 Today's Topics: TMBG: favorite johns Re: TMBG: Linnell and me, brothers? TMBG: Re: song that hooked you? TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #18-7 Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? TMBG: Re: Star Wars and A New Convert? TMBG: Long Tall Weekend Demo Problem TMBG: song that drew me to tmbg.. Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? TMBG: TMBG Seti at home team!!! Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? Re: TMBG: flans or linnell??? Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: New site... Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? 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Re: TMBG: mp3's Administrivia: If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing send mail to tmbg-digest-request@tmbg.org for instructions on how to be automatically removed. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. --------------------------------------------------------------------- tmbg-list is digested with Digest 3.5b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <19990607092236.45682.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Crystal Cooper Subject: TMBG: favorite johns Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 02:22:25 PDT just to add my little bit to the favorite johns thread, mine's linnell. i like his voice better than flans as well. and for some strange reason he persists in reminding me of someone, but it's floating at the back of my mind and i can't quite remember the name. i hate that. but linnell's definitely my favorite, even if he is underweight. what's that in kilograms anyway? i have no idea about whatever it is you americans use. and also, another point for linnell is that it's much easier to type than flansburgh. i can type linnell really fast. that's one of my sad accomplishments. i can type ben folds five really fast too. what a life i have. as for the song that got me into tmbg, i suppose i have to say it was doctor worm., since that's the only song i ever heard before i brought a cd. really it wasn't though, i just brought a cd because i'd heard that a lot of ben folds five fans were into tmbg as well. although i did hear 'i palindrome i' when i was waiting to tape a ben folds five thing on the radio last july, and i loved it. i said to myself, 'i really should buy one of their cds' but i forgot about it until i saw apollo 18 in a second hand cd store in november, and i thought i should give tmbg a go since i'd heard so much about them. so i brought it, and to tell the truth, i hated it. but i just kept on listening to it, and finally i started thinking it was ok, then it really grew on me and i went and brought all the other albums. so i suppose it wasn't really one particular song that got me into them. and i'll just say, garrett liggett, you must be one hell of a guy. i just wish i was a guy so i could look like linnell... << Danielle, who is apparently the only person on the planet who still hasn't seen Phantom Menace>> you're not the only one. it makes me feel so out of it. and i love star wars, so i don't know why i haven't seen it yet. i suppose it's due to, to quote ben folds, 'general apathy'. but maybe not 'major boredom', because i'm pretty bored right now and i still haven't seen the phantom menace. don't you hate those conversations where you say 'they might be giants' and you have to repeat yourself about 10 times before people get it. i was talking to this girl a few days ago and she was talking about how she really likes music with all the trumpets and saxophones and stuff. so i told her she'd probably like tmbg. and she said 'what?' about a million times, before she realized what i was saying, she thought i'd been unsure of the bands name and i was saying 'they could be called giants'. it was really annoying. i hate mid year exams. but i had an english exam today, and i used the word obsequious in my essay. tmbg introduced me to that word in 'turn around', and i think it's a really cool word, so i put it in my essay. Crystal ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "every little child learns if you can't see dreams your eyes are blind" - moxy fruvous e-mail me: DrPyser@tmbg.org Coming Up For Air - Crystal's Ben Folds Five page: http://members.xoom.com/DrPyser265/bf5/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: linnel@snet.net Message-Id: <199906071110.HAA07475@smtp.snet.net> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:05:49 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: Linnell and me, brothers? > > According to the list, Linnell is approximately 5'10" and 120 lbs. My > > exact height and weight for the past really long time. We both play the > > that seems like an awfully low estimate. I'm 5'10" and about as skinny > as Linnell, but I weigh close to 150. Linnell may even weigh more - he > has to be pretty strong to lift that baritone sax and play it the way he > does. (not to mention lifting his keyboard off its stand with one hand > and holding it like a guitar while he plays) i too, agree that the weight is probably a little off here, but don't underestimate skinny people. there's a fellow trombone player i know who is the skinniest thing you'll ever see... tall and skinny. but lots of fun... and one day, when we were joking around, i jumped on his back, and surprisingly... he stood. and then he ran. really fast. and i'm not exactly light... i may be short, but i'm not little. i was way surprised. and it just so happens that he was the one to assist in getting my into tmbg. and it also just so happens that he looks an awful lot like linnel... his facial structure. if only he's cut his hair... but anyway... so i'm not surprised at the fact that john can do lotsa neat things... he may be skinny, but he's still superman in MY heart : ) MUAHAHAHAHAHA! -jen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 03:45:29 -0400 From: The Great Quux Message-ID: <375B7899.20F2E546@stardatecomputer.com> Organization: Stardate Computer Systems Subject: TMBG: Re: song that hooked you? LimeZinger@aol.com wrote: > what TMBG song hooked you onto their music, making you a fan? Well, as my first CD was Severe Tire Damage, and as it was not too long ago (September or October of 98), I remember listening to it for the first time. Sticking it in my car CD player as I made my way to school (which was Brooklyn College at the time), and as Dr Worm came on, I remember thinking, "ummmm..." It was 'okay', but I actually thought it was slightly annoying at the time! Ah, my innocence. The STD Theme made me reconsider, and when I got to They Got Lost, I knew I had found a cool band that I'd like to listen to. So I guess you could say that was the song, even though I ended up sitting in my car at a parking meter listening to the rest of the album and not caring if I was late for class or not. The next day I told my friend john who kept pestering me to get into Them, "John, I can't stop singing Birdhouse in Your Soul!!!" -- Mike Russo, www.walrus.com/~stardate, Brooklyn, NY -- "It's kind of silly when [fans are] making pie graphs about set list openers. But then, I always liked a good graph." --Mike Gordon, interview with Detroit Free Press 12/5/97 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:47:46 +0100 (BST) From: Kate Kersley Subject: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #18-7 Message-ID: Hi Just thought I'd add my two pence worth - when I first heard them on tape it was Your Racist Friend, Don't Let's Start, and yup, probably Particle Man. When I first saw them play I fell in love with Purple Toupee and I Palindrome I. And my current faves? Well, without listing twenty songs (which I did do the last time somebody asked me), they are Why Does The Sun Shine?, Sleeping In The Flowers, Absolutely Bill's Mood, Meet James Ensor, Doctor Worm, They Got Lost...... I'm gonna stop. Yay! Only four and a quarter hours until I get Californication!!! Kate XXX ------------------------------ From: MuseKJ@aol.com Message-ID: <69133686.248d1400@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:24:32 EDT Subject: Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? It would be "Birdhouse In Your Soul." When I saw the video on MTV, I just had to run out and buy Flood (like so many others out there, I'm sure). It just snowballed from there. Karen "Well, I want a shoehorn with fangs" Riley MuseKJ@aol.com "We think of what we're doing as a 'have you seen our line of products' type thing" ~ ~ John Linnell ------------------------------ From: MuseKJ@aol.com Message-ID: <69133688.248d1880@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:43:44 EDT Subject: TMBG: Re: Star Wars and A New Convert? In a message dated 6/6/99 11:51:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, redips76@airmail.net writes: << Danielle, who is apparently the only person on the planet who still hasn't seen Phantom Menace >> No, your not...my Canadian penpal, Phil and his wife haven't seen it either...he states from his last letter: "Speaking of movies, have you seen the new Star Wars flick yet? I have heard mixed reviews plus have not been willing to stand in line for it. Starting to get just a little tired of the hype but will got to see it eventually." And I've been talking to Phil about TMBG (more like brainwashing him perhaps)...I gave him a rundown on my first concert experience with They at the Bowery Ballroom last month, and this was his reply: "Dear Karen, Wow, sounds like you had a great time a the concert!! The way you are so enthused about these guys makes me feel like ordering one of their albums to check them out, which I'll do since it is fun to check out different stuff (Amazon you say? I've ordered several books and albums from them already and love their service). The last time I saw a concert that thrilled me that much was about five years ago on Pink Floyd's last tour, though it was much more than a concert, it was gigantic extravagant spectacle." Just thought I'd share... Karen "A horn for you, a party hat for you, and some confetti for me" Riley MuseKJ@aol.com ''Absolutely the lyric to me is 95 percent of what a song is. The singer is portraying a playlet to the audience, involving the audience in what he is saying. If the melody is attractive, that's frosting on the cake. The lyric is the cake.'' ~ ~ Mel Torme ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990606165802.46073.qmail@hotmail.com> From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff Subject: TMBG: Long Tall Weekend Demo Problem Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:58:01 PDT I tried to download the _Long Tall Weekend_ demos, and ended up getting five copies of "She Thinks She's Edith Head," and two of "Drinking." Has anyone else had this problem, or does the emusic site just not like me? (There's probably someone in charge of downloads, saying something like "Let's give this guy ANOTHER copy of 'Edith Head'! Ha-ha-ha!" Then again, maybe not.) (Yes, I'm posting this to both the mailing list and the newsgroup, so, if you subscribe to both, you get to read it twice! Lucky you!) -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:25:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Ransom Subject: TMBG: song that drew me to tmbg.. Message-ID: song that drew me was "particle man"... big surprise... I had a friend that got me hooked on flood... then I went backwards and bought all the previous albums (and of course, the following ones when they came out)... in fact I listened to flood so much that I couldn't stand it for 3 years... I hated that album... (it's starting to make a comeback in my head though...) Ransom... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 09:34:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Woodward Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... Message-id: On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Adam Varn wrote: > It features 10 weekly changing Giant mp3's, off of the seven albums > (here comes the shunning). I noticed after much surfing on the net that > the abundance of TMBG songs is pretty slim, except live stuff. Not that > I am an advocate of music piracy, nor do I want the Johns to lose money, > but mp3s are very convienent when you are at work and want to hear > Cowtown just one more time. And so, my new site has ten rotating TMBG > songs, changed every week, depending on voter influence. Is nobody going to speak out against this? This = bad. Your justification that only people who own the albums should visit this site is absurd, most of the people visiting this site will certainly not own the CDs. You're giving away what the Johns work for. The most laughable part of this is that it takes most people *longer* to download the MP3 than it would to create their own. Why don't you change this section of the site to explain how to create their own MP3s? I'd recommend doing this before you're forced to. * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com Fruhead.Com Webmaster: http://www.fruhead.com/ Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ From: "Adam Varn" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:22:11 -500 Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... Message-id: <375bd593.28.0@alpha> I'm not aiming for the mass public with this site, because the John's really are not mainstream. My site was made for the other fans out there, that is why I chose TMBG. If I wanted to put up mainstream music, I would fall under the same category as all the other bootleggers out there. I see your point, but given that many people A) Dont know who the Johns are B) Wont download music they have never heard of just to take up space on their hard drives the site will probably only be visited by fans who truly want to hear TMBG on their PC's without the hassle of CD's. MP3 is a growing file format that more people are using, and if I am not mistaken, wasn't a recent thread on here how to get Long Tall Weekend before it was released (demo or not)? Just the fact that LTW is going to exist shows that the Johns have embraced the format, and want to offer up something to their fans. Sure, they are charging, but do you REALLY think that once an MP3 only album is released online, that ONLY people who bought the album will download it? I am not saying that offering up free music is the right thing to do, I am just saying that by creating a niche of just TMBG then I am somewhat helping keep the downloading to a smaller group of people. Your point about offering how to create them does have merit. However, many people barely have the kind of computer to handle ripping a CD (for good quality sound, a 233 is probably entry level) nor do they have the HD space to store 500 MB of temporary wav files. And for the people who don't have the space to even download the songs, I offer up streaming audio. As for ripping the Johns off, I never thought TMBG was about the money. Maybe I am mistaken, but don't they just do it for fun? I honestly believe that true fans will buy the CD's, given TMBG's infectius sound. I am merely offering up a taste of them for new listeners, and a plate full of old favorites for the fans. You offer a valid argument, but there are many points on this issue that can not easily be resolved. Until then, I will continue to offer up free music, not to rip off anyone or piss anyone off (surprisingly, you are the only person who has voiced a distaste for it) but given that the only promotion I have given my site is through this mailing list, I think that of the 100 visits it has had in a week and a half, most have come from fans. Adam Varn http://xooming.to/tmbgland >On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Adam Varn wrote: > >> It features 10 weekly changing Giant mp3's, off of the seven albums >> (here comes the shunning). I noticed after much surfing on the net that >> the abundance of TMBG songs is pretty slim, except live stuff. Not that >> I am an advocate of music piracy, nor do I want the Johns to lose money, >> but mp3s are very convienent when you are at work and want to hear >> Cowtown just one more time. And so, my new site has ten rotating TMBG >> songs, changed every week, depending on voter influence. > >Is nobody going to speak out against this? This = bad. Your justification >that only people who own the albums should visit this site is absurd, most >of the people visiting this site will certainly not own the CDs. You're >giving away what the Johns work for. > >The most laughable part of this is that it takes most people *longer* to >download the MP3 than it would to create their own. Why don't you change >this section of the site to explain how to create their own MP3s? > >I'd recommend doing this before you're forced to. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com >Fruhead.Com Webmaster: http://www.fruhead.com/ >Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.1.19990607105905.00938e50@130.127.28.14> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:05:05 -0400 From: Adam Tyner Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... At 10:22 AM 6/7/99, Adam Varn wrote: > >B) Wont download music they have never heard of just to take up space on their >hard drives >the site will probably only be visited by fans who truly want to hear TMBG on >their PC's without the hassle of CD's. This too is ridiculous. All of the people I know who download mp3s off of albums do so because they're too f***ing cheap to buy that artist's CD. If you have mp3s of Istanbul and Particle Man up, for instance, you basically gave someone mostly unfamiliar with TMBG an excuse NOT to buy Flood. If the only 2 songs they really want are up on the web, what's the incentive to buy the whole CD? >Your point about offering how to create them does have merit. However, many >people barely have the kind of computer to handle ripping a CD (for good >quality >sound, a 233 is probably entry level) nor do they have the HD space to store Jiminy Christmas. Come on now, I have a P-75 and a 4X CD-ROM (well, until next week when I get my new dream machine) and I can rip CDs without any problems whatsoever. >500 MB of temporary wav files. And for the people who don't have the space to >even download the songs, I offer up streaming audio. Just set it up to stream and there will probably be no problems. >As for ripping the Johns off, I never thought TMBG was about the money. Then let THEM make the decision to put freely available mp3s of their work on the web. >You offer a valid argument, but there are many points on this issue that can >not easily be resolved. Until then, I will continue to offer up free music, >not to rip off anyone or piss anyone off (surprisingly, you are the only person >who has voiced a distaste for it) but given that the only promotion I have Make that two. -Adam -- Adam, fighting the forces of crappy web sites! http://www.he-man.org/ (Masters of the Universe) http://www.daddies.org/ (Cherry Poppin' Daddies) http://www.clemson.edu/~ctyner/ (Everything else!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:11:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Scot Westwood Subject: Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? Message-ID: For me it was number 3, I had already owned flood for about a year but really only listened to Birdhouse and Particle Man, I was at a freinds house and heard number three, I asked who it was and couldn't believe it, I went out and bought The Pink album and Lincoln the next day, I think the first time I listened to flood all the way through was after I got miscellaneous T. Shame, it took me so long Flood really rocks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:18:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Axelrad Subject: TMBG: TMBG Seti at home team!!! Message-ID: As many of you know SETI is using a distributed computing effort to search for alien life. By downloading their software you can help analyze data from deep space. There is now a TMBG team!! It is called "Team TMBG" and I think with participation from a large percentage of TMBG fans online we could definitely be in the top 10 groups. For information on how to download the software and join the TMBG team please check out: http://seti.tmbg.net/ (if that doesn't work http://www.tmbg.net/~seti should) I could use some help with the page if you want. This could be a really fun team effort and anybody who wants to be involved should contact me or seti@tmbg.net -- Jish TMBG.net and the EFnet #TMBG Home Page http://www.tmbg.net/ ------------------------------ From: "Adam Varn" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:28:17 -500 Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... Message-id: <375be511.54.0@alpha> >At 10:22 AM 6/7/99, Adam Varn wrote: >> >>B) Wont download music they have never heard of just to take up space on their >>hard drives >>the site will probably only be visited by fans who truly want to hear TMBG on >>their PC's without the hassle of CD's. > >This too is ridiculous. All of the people I know who download mp3s off of >albums do so because they're too f***ing cheap to buy that artist's CD. If >you have mp3s of Istanbul and Particle Man up, for instance, you basically >gave someone mostly unfamiliar with TMBG an excuse NOT to buy Flood. If >the only 2 songs they really want are up on the web, what's the incentive >to buy the whole CD? I am not offering what is popular to the rest of the world. Any search for TMBG mp3s will find those two songs. Quite frankly, though they are great songs, they are every where. Instead, I offer up the lesser known stuff, the non mainstream, the NOT popular stuff. Those are the songs that the die hard fans want, not some overplayed stuff that can be found at every shitty excuse for a web site on the Internet. Once again, I only made this site for fellow fans. If the fans don't want music, I can take it down and just call it a scornful experiment that I will surely keep me from offering up free server space/bandwith again. >>Your point about offering how to create them does have merit. However, many >>people barely have the kind of computer to handle ripping a CD (for good >>quality >>sound, a 233 is probably entry level) nor do they have the HD space to store > >Jiminy Christmas. Come on now, I have a P-75 and a 4X CD-ROM (well, until >next week when I get my new dream machine) and I can rip CDs without any >problems whatsoever. Maybe that was a bit of an over exaggeration. However, even if most people have piece of crap computers, many do not know how to rip. I could offer up the knowledge, but that would completely defeat the purpose of having a web site (Plus, if someone inquistive enough wanted to know how, there are lots of places to find the knowledge). >>500 MB of temporary wav files. And for the people who don't have the space to >>even download the songs, I offer up streaming audio. > >Just set it up to stream and there will probably be no problems. Once again, the whole idea behind They Might Be Giants: Better Music through Better Living was to create a decent looking web site devoted to TMBG (design is one thing lacking out their, for sure.) I also wanted to find a way to interact with other fans through a web site, and mp3 was really a good way to this. It's a popular technology. Given the other TMBG sites out their, I felt I had little to offer that was unique and not some rehashed fan page. Back to the idea of the streaming audio: If I wanted to give away bandwith, and clog up my pipe, I would put my whole collection of mp3s online. I jsut wanted to offer up a kinda neat looking site that is always changing depending on the visitor response. >>As for ripping the Johns off, I never thought TMBG was about the money. > >Then let THEM make the decision to put freely available mp3s of their work >on the web. I'm not even going to touch this one. >>You offer a valid argument, but there are many points on this issue that can >>not easily be resolved. Until then, I will continue to offer up free music, >>not to rip off anyone or piss anyone off (surprisingly, you are the only >person >>who has voiced a distaste for it) but given that the only promotion I have > >Make that two. > >-Adam >-- >Adam, fighting the forces of crappy web sites! >http://www.he-man.org/ (Masters of the Universe) >http://www.daddies.org/ (Cherry Poppin' Daddies) >http://www.clemson.edu/~ctyner/ (Everything else!) > If I have pissed off a lot of people, then I'm sorry. I saw a little hole on the web that I thought I could help fill, but apparently not every one enjoys getting things for free. Adam Varn http://xooming.to/tmbgland ------------------------------ Message-ID: <375BB21E.BDFB2944@osu.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:50:55 +0000 From: Diana Kocar Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... Josh Woodward wrote: > Is nobody going to speak out against this? This = bad. Your justification > that only people who own the albums should visit this site is absurd, most > of the people visiting this site will certainly not own the CDs. You're > giving away what the Johns work for. I think most people who have heard of TMBG, have heard of this site, and are taking the time to visit it own at least one CD by Them. TMBG isn't exactly a well-known band. Why would you go to some TMBG site if you didn't even know who they were? And the people visiting this site who do not own any TMBG albums are probably pretty interested in the band and would only be more encouraged to buy an album after downloading a couple mp3s. > The most laughable part of this is that it takes most people *longer* to > download the MP3 than it would to create their own. Not me. It takes me less than a minute to download most songs, and try I have, I cannot get my computer to burn an mp3 off of a CD. Admittedly, most people have modems and do have a slower connection than me, but I bet a lot of people cannot create mp3s either with their older computers. I like this site because even though I already have all their albums, I can get some TMBG songs on my computer, put them on a play list and mix them up with other mp3s I have, and listen while I'm at my computer. Diana ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.1.19990607115120.00925f00@130.127.28.14> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:53:31 -0400 From: Adam Tyner Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... At 11:28 AM 6/7/99, Adam Varn wrote: > >>Then let THEM make the decision to put freely available mp3s of their work >>on the web. > >I'm not even going to touch this one. Why? It's a valid point. If TMBG embrace the format as much as you say, then why haven't they put up tons of songs available in mp3 format for free? Hey, why don't you make it official? Call up TMBG's management and ask if it's okay. I doubt they'd say yes. -Adam -- Adam, fighting the forces of crappy web sites! http://www.he-man.org/ (Masters of the Universe) http://www.daddies.org/ (Cherry Poppin' Daddies) http://www.clemson.edu/~ctyner/ (Everything else!) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <4.1.19990607115508.009264e0@130.127.28.14> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:03:15 -0400 From: Adam Tyner Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... At 11:50 AM 6/7/99, Diana Kocar wrote: > >I think most people who have heard of TMBG, have heard of this site, and are >taking the time to visit it own at least one CD by Them. TMBG isn't exactly a >well-known band. Why would you go to some TMBG site if you didn't even know >who they were? And the people visiting this site who do not own any TMBG >albums are probably pretty interested in the band and would only be more >encouraged to buy an album after downloading a couple mp3s. OK, let's say this for instance -- you don't know much about TMBG, but you hear "Birdhouse In Your Soul" on the radio and you fall in love with it. You start looking at TMBG web sites and come across one with a freely available mp3 of Birdhouse. You download it and a few other songs, and although you still like Birdhouse, the other songs don't do anything for you. So you keep the Birdhouse mp3 and don't download or buy anything by TMBG again. Basically, hearing mp3s saved you from getting an album you probably wouldn't have enjoyed, but you potentially killed one sale of "Flood". In my eyes, that's wrong. I don't think that's an outlandish scenario either. >Not me. It takes me less than a minute to download most songs, and try I >have, I cannot get my computer to burn an mp3 off of a CD. Admittedly, most Try downloading a program like AudioCatalyst. >people have modems and do have a slower connection than me, but I bet a lot of >people cannot create mp3s either with their older computers. I would say that most people with computers old enough to not be able to make mp3s probably have a difficult time playing them....or at least a hard time playing them while having any other applications open. >I like this site because even though I already have all their albums, I can >get some TMBG songs on my computer, put them on a play list and mix them up >with other mp3s I have, and listen while I'm at my computer. I feel that the disadvantages (basically stealing money from Them) outweigh the advantages (convenience, I guess?). -Adam -- Adam, fighting the forces of crappy web sites! http://www.he-man.org/ (Masters of the Universe) http://www.daddies.org/ (Cherry Poppin' Daddies) http://www.clemson.edu/~ctyner/ (Everything else!) ------------------------------ From: "Adam Varn" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:09:06 -500 Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... Message-id: <375beea2.fc.0@alpha> >At 11:28 AM 6/7/99, Adam Varn wrote: >> >>>Then let THEM make the decision to put freely available mp3s of their work >>>on the web. >> >>I'm not even going to touch this one. > >Why? It's a valid point. If TMBG embrace the format as much as you say, >then why haven't they put up tons of songs available in mp3 format for free? > >Hey, why don't you make it official? Call up TMBG's management and ask if >it's okay. I doubt they'd say yes. > >-Adam >-- >Adam, fighting the forces of crappy web sites! >http://www.he-man.org/ (Masters of the Universe) >http://www.daddies.org/ (Cherry Poppin' Daddies) >http://www.clemson.edu/~ctyner/ (Everything else!) > I didn't want to get into a flame war over a little mp3 site (and yes, it is little compared to some of the monsters I have seen out there offering other music). You do have a point, I just didn't want to get into a discussion. Given that GoodNoise (or whatever the hell they are called) offers up full samples of many TMBG songs in mp3 format, all I am really doing is extending the length of the track. Either way, ten measely mp3s are not enough to scoff at, simply because they are from different albums and because they are so few, they only offer a sample of TMBG's music. I won't call up TMBG's management, not because I am afraid to, but because that would be incredibly stupid to say "I am giving away a handful of TMBG songs on my site. Is that ok?" Of course they will say no, but I am not going to invite it on myself. If they ask me to take it down, I will. Just not going to initate it. The last thing I want is to be arrested over 30 MB of drive space. We don't know the Johns official stance on mp3, but we do know that they do recognize it's power, as evident by LTW. Maybe they are not as open about it as the Beastie Boys, Chuck D or Less Than Jake, but they do know that mp3 is going to play a key role in the future of the music industry. Mp3 is a subject that could be debated for days, with both sides not coming to any justifiable conclusion. I see your stance on the legality of it, but hopefully you recognize that never before has it been possible to distribute music to fans (and new fans) before mp3. Adam Varn http://xooming.to/tmbgland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:20:08 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? Message-ID: <19990607.122917.9078.0.hotel_detective1@juno.com> From: "Cap'n eriKa rae" I think the first ever song that really hooked me on to Them - not counting the Tiny Toons things, because I only saw them long before I became an actual fan - would probably be We've Got A World That Swings, from the S-E-X-X-Y single, as that was the first TMBG thing I owned. It took a while for S-E-X-X-Y and Unforgotten to grow on me, but I loved WGAWTS from the first time I listened to it, and I really liked Sensurround. Album-wise, upon getting Apollo 18 (I didn't run out and get Flood... but then, I didn't find Flood first, and also, it wasn't the hot album at the time, as it was roughly a year ago...), I Palindrome I convinced me to keep listening (I didn't enjoy Dig My Grave so much), and She's Actual Size made me unable to turn it off. ever-sincere, eriKa, Death of a Salesman won a bunch of Tonys! RAWK! "It's been cool to be cool for too long now and now it's cool not to be cool." - Ben Folds "Sexual frustration is caused by the Discovery Channel." - Kevan Peden ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:29:14 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: flans or linnell??? Message-ID: <19990607.122917.9078.1.hotel_detective1@juno.com> From: "Cap'n eriKa rae" Danielle, who shouldn't mourn not seeing Phantom Menace yet: >Um, right here. :) I played a little bari in high school and college. >In fact, I had about a week to learn the basics originally, as I was a >last minute addition to the jazz band for an upcoming competition! Hooray! I suck though. My hands are too small to reach the low notes. But hooray all the same. I had two pictures of Linnell with his sax on my old band folder, and then my instructor threw it out! Feh. Mike Leffel, who's almost as cuddly and coherent and Jar Jar: >"Welcome to the list! My god, you're underweight! You'll die in a month!" I'm not underweight, I'm overheight. Wait, no. That wasn't me. And for you Ben Folds Five fans in the wings, the boys will be on Politically Incorrect tonight and on Leno tomorrow. ever-sincere, eriKa, no, Delores, please! no more candy! I don't smoke, honestly! "Robert called me a pussy once." - Ben Folds "Sexual frustration is caused by the Discovery Channel." - Kevan Peden ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0rKzD5e00UwC0NATM0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... Excerpts from internet.music.tmbg: 7-Jun-99 Re: TMBG: New site... by "Adam Varn"@talstar.com > We don't know the Johns official stance on mp3, but we do know that they do > recognize it's power, as evident by LTW. Maybe they are not as open about > it as the Beastie Boys, Chuck D or Less Than Jake, but they do know that > mp3 is going to play a key role in the future of the music industry. we actually do know their official stance on bootlegs, though, and that's this: Use your judgement. Don't go around copying stuff for people that's commercially available, but as far as the concerts go, feel free to do what you like. If you put up live MP3s, that's a completely different story. The only toes you'd be stepping on there are TDK's, but he can't exactly take you to court over it. Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ zaph@tmbg.org "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:55:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Anne McClanahan Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... Message-ID: Ok, my two cents... THIS is why the record companies are SO afraid of the mp3 format. They know that the users have the ability rip, copy, and redistribute music with no profit to themselves. Hmm... here's an example.. there's a TMBG convention... you make copies of selected songs on tape, and hand them out for free. You're not making any money. They're not making any money. They have no control of where their music is going, what the quality is, all that crap. Even if TMBG does indeed embrace the mp3 format, embracing the mp3 format is FAR from endorsing the unstructured restribution of songs. They're offering SAMPLES and certain songs, but they're not saying, "hey, we're giving away music for free." They are not an extremely wealthy band, and lost profits are lost profits. Even if they're not all about money, they have to make a living too. With this said, let me just state I am far from innocent of owning "illegal" mp3s. I own a bunch of them, and I've probably bought 3 or 4 new albums from hearing a mp3 of a group I might like. But the overwhelming majority of users AREN'T going to go run out and by an album b/c of one mp3. So in the end.. I do NOT think TMBG is being helped by posting free mp3s on your site. It is indisputably illegal. (mind you, I'm not saying I'm obeying all the laws.. I'm just stating what they are.) Ok. That's all. :) Colleen Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:03:51 -0700 From: Sarah Subject: Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? Message-id: <375C25A7.7A25@wmich.edu> Like so many others..... Partical Man and Istanbul, from Tiny Toons, sparked my interest. But it was Why Does the Sun Shine which really Hooked me. Why we had a tape of them performing it on Conan O'Brian, I will never know. But nonetheless it hooked me, and it wasn't long before I had memorized my friend's copy of A18 and my mom bought me Misc T, then Flood. And the rest. Is history. ~Sarah ------------------------------ From: LimeZinger@aol.com Message-ID: <6de83207.248d5a23@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:23:47 EDT Subject: TMBG: non... ben folds five & star wars In a message dated 6/7/99 11:28:33 AM, hotel_detective1@juno.com writes: >And for you Ben Folds Five fans in the wings, the boys will be on >Politically Incorrect tonight all 3 of them? ahh, and for the record, add me to the list of "haven't seen star wars"... and i don't care to either. :) :) sarah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:10:02 -0500 From: "Jay G." Message-ID: <7jh096$2v4v$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Subject: TMBG: For Adam Varn to help fans.... Adam Varn wrote: > I am not offering what is popular to the rest of the world. Any search for TMBG > mp3s will find those two songs. Quite frankly, though they are great songs, > they are every where. Instead, I offer up the lesser known stuff, the non mainstream, > the NOT popular stuff. Those are the songs that the die hard fans want, not > some overplayed stuff that can be found at every shitty excuse for a web site > on the Internet. Once again, I only made this site for fellow fans. Since you are doing this for the fans, Adam, and you want to offer up non-mainstream tracks the people want, why not but up Elektra B-sides and other rarities? Most fans would have all the albums, or at least be able to find and buy them with little difficulty, but it's hard for the average fan to find some of the out of print singles and such. Heck, even a die-hard fan might not want to put up $30 on ebay for a used single. Also, there are many unrealeased songs that are available in mp3 format that need a good home. I'm sure this would recieve less protest, since everyone seemed to enjoy Jackyl's site before it went under. Also, this would provide a true service to fans, since some of us weren't blessed enough to be around when Jackyl's site existed and need these mp3s. -Jay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:06:14 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: non... ben folds five & star wars Message-ID: <19990607.140631.4774.0.hotel_detective1@juno.com> From: "Cap'n eriKa rae" me, a constant flow of useless information: >And for you Ben Folds Five fans in the wings, the boys will be on >Politically Incorrect tonight Sarah, not seen Star Wars and proud: >all 3 of them? On Politically Incorrect, I'm not sure... it hasn't really been specified anywhere. I would hope that all three would, but it very well may just be Ben, which is still nice, but perhaps not as entertaining. And yeah, I would assume that all three will be on Leno (which I'm sure you figured out, duh...), probably joined by the big freakin' horn section for Army - so everyone keep a look out for the Squirrel Nut Zipper guys and John Mark Painter... I'm wondering if they'll even be there. They were for Letterman... ever-sincere, eriKa, so, Ben, what are your views on Kosovo? "It's not like [Robert and Darren] are, 'Duh, we play rock,' and I'm on top going, 'No guys, when you play a seventh chord here, it's beautiful.'" - Ben Folds ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ From: "Adam Varn" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:22:05 -500 Subject: Re: TMBG: For Adam Varn to help fans.... Message-id: <375c0dcd.5c.0@alpha> >Adam Varn wrote: >> I am not offering what is popular to the rest of the world. Any search for >TMBG >> mp3s will find those two songs. Quite frankly, though they are great >songs, >> they are every where. Instead, I offer up the lesser known stuff, the non >mainstream, >> the NOT popular stuff. Those are the songs that the die hard fans want, >not >> some overplayed stuff that can be found at every shitty excuse for a web >site >> on the Internet. Once again, I only made this site for fellow fans. > >Since you are doing this for the fans, Adam, and you want to offer up >non-mainstream tracks the people want, why not but up Elektra B-sides and >other rarities? Most fans would have all the albums, or at least be able to >find and buy them with little difficulty, but it's hard for the average fan >to find some of the out of print singles and such. Heck, even a die-hard >fan might not want to put up $30 on ebay for a used single. Also, there are >many unrealeased songs that are available in mp3 format that need a good >home. > I'm sure this would recieve less protest, since everyone seemed to enjoy >Jackyl's site before it went under. Also, this would provide a true service >to fans, since some of us weren't blessed enough to be around when Jackyl's >site existed and need these mp3s. > >-Jay > > > That sounds like a fair idea. The problem is, I don't have access to all the singles either. If anyone does, I would be glad to put them up (either replace or add to the current ones). I had thought about doing live stuff, but TDK has that pretty well covered. If everyone wants singles and B-Sides then I will gladly host them, but as of now, I only own the albums and have a few singles in mp3 format. Please do not email them to me if anyone has them, but instead send me what you have and I will set up a place for you to send them. I'm just trying to help out fellow fans, but for this I need everyone else's help. You provide the files, I provide the space and the site I guess. Adam Varn http://xooming.to/tmbgland ------------------------------ From: phone_book@juno.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:37:38 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? Message-ID: <19990607.143746.-180783.0.phone_book@juno.com> limezinger newhouse wrote: > we haven't done this in a long time, and there are lots of new people > here... > sooo.. > > > i pose a question. > > > what TMBG song hooked you onto their music, making you a fan? As far my own fandom is concerned, getting hooked wasn't dependent upon any one song: I should say, rather, that it was a succession of related occurrences that culminated in my becoming the obsessed fan which I am to this day. Somewhere along the line in my twelfth year or so, I caught the Tiny Toons performance of "Particle Man" and "Istanbul;" my now-late brother Ernie informed me he had the cd if I wanted to listen to it sometime, but I forgot about it for several months. I can't recall how I came about the knowledge that his album Flood contained those two songs that I had enjoyed, only that he didn't inform me of that and that I was forced to sneak it as a result. Over time I became fond of the entire album, but after six months or so I ceased listening to it, and did not pick it up again until some time after I reached the age of fourteen and my brother passed away. After that time did I pick the album up again, and became even more fond of it than I was before--though I was convinced that the name of the group was Flood, and the album title They Might Be Giants. In fact, I constantly debated to myself which name was which, but a lack of outside influence put no end to the indecision. I was finally made aware of the proper names after seeing a commercial for Their performance on Conan O'Brien, and hearing the name They Might Be Giants mentioned. I did, however, miss that performance. Around the end of '96 I checked online for information on They Might Be Giants, finding that they had released several albums. Using this information I soon purchased John Henry, and then Factory Showroom, and thusly until now, at which I am the very proud owner of the TMBG album collection. I can't say which song hooked me; nay, I doubt if any one song was truly my reason for loving TMBG, as despite my enjoyment of it none of Flood caught my attention as it might have. I say only that fandom crept upon me gradually until ... poof. And now I am hooked. a plasticine porter with looking-glass ties, jay, whose t-shirt has shrunk in the wash. how sexy. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19990607192530.90555.qmail@hotmail.com> From: "Sarah's Madness" Subject: Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 12:25:30 PDT > > what TMBG song hooked you onto their music, making you a fan? I first heard tmbg because my best friend had Flood and the Pink Album and we would listen together....The first song I absolutely loved was "Dead"...this turned me into a casual fan. Then, summer came, I was desperate for cds to listen to, and I bought Apollo 18 and heard "The Statue Got Me High"...this turned me into an obsessed, drooling, rabid fan. Statue is still my favorite song in the whole world :) sarah faye "....Snakes and ladders running up and down her nylons...." --Elvis Costello, "Chemistry Class" http://lindramine.cjb.net -->The Princess's Castle, home of Sarah's Madness http://sarianway.cjb.net-->The Sarian Way, Inc. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:45:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Josh Axelrad Subject: TMBG: SETI follow-up Message-ID: Just in case anybody was wondering, if you are already running the SETI @home software you can still join the team and transfer the work you have already done over into our total... We really can show the world yet again how dedicated TMBG fans are! If anybody has suggestions for http://seti.tmbg.net/ please send them in! We can get into the top 100 groups within a couple days if we work hard. The program tends to take up a lot of resources. It allows you, however, to set it as the screensaver so it only runs when you aren't around. You can also keep it running when you are sleeping. COME ON! THE WHOLE UNIVERSE SHOULD HEAR THE WONDERS OF TMBG!!! -- Jish TMBG.net and the EFnet #TMBG Home Page http://www.tmbg.net/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Pletikapich, John (OH35)" Subject: Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:17:45 -0400 > In a message dated 6/6/99 7:44:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > LimeZinger@aol.com writes: > > > what TMBG song hooked you onto their music, making you a fan? > I saw "Ana Ng" when it was in regular rotation on MTV and bought the "Lincoln" cassette. My younger brother saw my "Lincoln" cassette and reminded me that They had another video on MTV a year before that ("Don't Let's Start") and I soon picked up the Pink album. I recall when "Flood" came out I kept the cassette in my car and played it over and over for a couple weeks. I still consider "Flood" to be their magnum opus. (And I have never seen one episode of "Tiny Toons".) An old lurker, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:32:25 -0500 From: Laura Helbling Message-ID: <375C2C59.39060BA6@thebigdogs.net> Organization: no thank you Subject: TMBG: Re: non... ben folds five & star wars LimeZinger@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/7/99 11:28:33 AM, hotel_detective1@juno.com writes: > > >And for you Ben Folds Five fans in the wings, the boys will be on > >Politically Incorrect tonight > > all 3 of them? > > ahh, and for the record, add me to the list of "haven't seen star wars"... > and i don't care to either. :) :) I haven't seen it either, but I will, whether I like it or not. My friend is convinced that she needs to have a bunch of us over to watch the 3 star wars and then go see Phantom Menace. Ok. Laura ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990607204853.00ef2a04@pop.cwru.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:48:53 -0400 From: SpiderEyes Subject: Re: TMBG: song that hooked you? I was introduced to TMBG in a somewhat unorthodox manner (like so many things in my life...) My freshman year of high school, I had to ride the bus for over three hours a day (and Lawrence here was lucky and got the stop closest to the school... hrmph). There were two very devoted fans on the bus, and we all had a lot of time to kill, so they decided to introduce me to TMBG. However, rather than play the songs, they did it by singing them- and teaching me to sing them (I use the term very loosely). Accordingly, when I finally heard the CD's, my first thought was "Wow! These songs have tunes!" Because the people who taught me were the worst singers I have ever heard. So I was thus introduced to Flood, Apollo 18, and Lincoln, but primarily Flood. The individual song that stands out is "Whistling in the Dark." I later picked up a copy of John Henry, primarily because it had a song called "Snail Shell." (I reeeally like snails.) Then I lost the faith for a couple years, listened to Them occasionally but not regularly, until I got to college and dated another major fan (who, like the first, is now at Microsoft... hmm, is there a connection between TMBG and the Evil Empire?). "Ana Ng" was the song that got me re-hooked. I started collecting mp3's of live and rare songs, and coming here. I gathered 30 people from CWRU to see Them last fall. I was invited to a pagan ritual and when we ran out of chants, we sang TMBG songs (greatly annoyed the High Priest and Priestess but pleasing everyone else). I chalked lots of TMBG lyrics all over the sidewalks at 4am for no particular reason, confusing many people and delighting others as they walked to class that week. So, I think I've provided enough evidence for my insanity defense- wait, I mean I've explained what songs got me hooked. Yeah, that's right. I'll go slip back into my straitjacket now. - Jen / SpiderEyes Chief Inquisitor Center for Information Control and Thought Prevention http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/8222 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:55:53 -0400 Subject: Non TMBG: BIG REUNION!!!!!!! Message-ID: <19990607.165603.-244619.3.gray42@juno.com> From: Claire V Gray Hey e'rybody, it's me Mysterio Gal. I've graduated highschool, it's summer vaca. So I finally have the time to read messages. So what have I missed, any word on John and John coming to Florida? Whatever became of the OMLT's. I don't know if anyone remembers me, well to those who do Hello out there!!!! ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 16:57:08 -0400 Subject: Re: TMBG: non... ben folds five & star wars Message-ID: <19990607.170101.-22255.1.jbparke@juno.com> From: Jeff Parker >ever-sincere, >eriKa, >so, Ben, what are your views on Kosovo? > Well, last weekend he played in Charlotte, NC at the Benefit for Kosovo Concert so i'm assuming he's probably on the refugees side... :) That's it... v^v Jeffro v^v "We came here tonight to get things started, to cool act ill or get retarded" ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jun 1999 21:00:50 GMT From: tape@sputnik.neuropol.net (DJ Core Dump) Message-ID: <7jhbu2$g4t$1@autumn.news.rcn.net> Organization: Alex Buck's 'I'm Gonna Rule The World' Machine Subject: TMBG: Re: On Earth My Nina backwards mp3 Jay G. wrote: >I reversed "On Earth My Nina" and you can get the mp3 of it here: > >http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~jdgilles/On_Earth_My_Nina-Demo-Reversed.mp3 that. is. the. freakiest. thing. I. have. ever. heard. :tape - but DAMN, it's cool! -- . duct tape boy . . . . . tape@neuropol.net . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . daughter to the pop veneer . . . ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990607214822.00f0a6c8@pop.cwru.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:48:22 -0400 From: SpiderEyes Subject: Re: TMBG: mp3's; For Adam Varn to help fans.... >>Since you are doing this for the fans, Adam, and you want to offer up >>non-mainstream tracks the people want, why not but up Elektra B-sides and >>other rarities?... >>-Jay >> >That sounds like a fair idea. The problem is, I don't have access to all the >singles either. If anyone does, I would be glad to put them up How about we come up with a wish list? Compile and post a list an updating list of songs that fans are looking for, and then whoever has them on mp3 can tell Adam, and he can collect and post them. If he wants to keep the list, great, else I'm willing to do it. Personally, I have lots of hard-to-find songs, including Jackyl's stuff and others, and you can browse and request there if you like. See a rough list of my TMBG mp3's: http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/8222/tmbgmp3.html - Jen / SpiderEyes Chief Inquisitor Center for Information Control and Thought Prevention http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/8222 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:53:39 -0500 From: Destin Berthelot Subject: Re: TMBG: mp3's; For Adam Varn to help fans.... Message-id: <01JC4LS8WEPU00010M@Fox.Rollins.Edu> What's "Summer Breeze?" Never done heard o' that one... > Personally, I have lots of hard-to-find songs, including Jackyl's stuff and > others, and you can browse and request there if you like. See a rough list > of my TMBG mp3's: > > http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/8222/tmbgmp3.html > > > - Jen / SpiderEyes ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Destin Berthelot: http://members.xoom.com/destin/ ---------- They Might Be Giants Visual Discography: http://members.xoom.com/theymightbe/ ---------- "All persons, living or dead, are purely coincidental." -Kurt Vonnegut ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: LimeZinger@aol.com Message-ID: <411f7e96.248d9a28@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:56:56 EDT Subject: Re: TMBG: mp3's; For Adam Varn to help fans.... In a message dated 6/7/99 5:55:32 PM, destin@bigfoot.com writes: >What's "Summer Breeze?" Never done heard o' that one... i think it's aka "car without a handle"... i haven't listened to it in a long time.. but... even if that doesn't help; to answer your question better, it was a dial a song song. sarah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 17:04:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamal Rogers Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Adam Tyner wrote: > OK, let's say this for instance -- you don't know much about TMBG, but you > hear "Birdhouse In Your Soul" on the radio and you fall in love with it. > You start looking at TMBG web sites and come across one with a freely > available mp3 of Birdhouse. You download it and a few other songs, and > although you still like Birdhouse, the other songs don't do anything for > you. So you keep the Birdhouse mp3 and don't download or buy anything by > TMBG again. Basically, hearing mp3s saved you from getting an album you > probably wouldn't have enjoyed, but you potentially killed one sale of > "Flood". In my eyes, that's wrong. I don't think that's an outlandish > scenario either. I see your point, but I disagree. Having someone buy an entire album for one song turns the album into a $13 single. I think this happens with most mainstream music (Britney Spears, NSYNC,etc.) People buy the album gor the radio hit, and most of them end of not listening to the rest of the album. THis is the point of commercial musc: to sell a product, not expose listeners to the music. I don't know how the Johns feel about this, but I personally would not want to sell people something they don't want. I'm sorry, I;m not a big fan of capitalism. On the other hand, I am against someone downloading an entire album in mp3 format, listening to it regularly, and still not buying the album. --Jamal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:10:32 -0500 From: Bob Scott Message-ID: <375C4357.C76C8AE2@tmbg.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Subject: TMBG: Re: SETI follow-up Josh Axelrad wrote: > COME ON! THE WHOLE UNIVERSE SHOULD HEAR THE WONDERS OF TMBG!!! So who's going to play the role of Jodie Foster? AKA Bob "Who really liked the book alot more than the movie" SCott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:19:56 -0500 From: Bob Scott Message-ID: <375C458C.13E4917F@tmbg.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Subject: Re: TMBG: New site... Jamal Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Adam Tyner wrote: > > Having someone buy an entire album for one song turns the album into a $13 > single. I think this happens with most mainstream music (Britney Spears, > NSYNC,etc.) People buy the album gor the radio hit, and most of them end of > not listening to the rest of the album. THis is the point of commercial musc: > to sell a product, not expose listeners to the music. If this were true for the majority of music buyers/listeners, the business of SelectCDs (or some other catchy title I've long forgotten) would have been booming. SelectCDs was a company which would put whatever songs you wanted from their database onto a CD, and you could then pay a certain price for each song. There were other companies with the same idea, and many of them still exist, but get very little business. > I don't know how the Johns feel about this, but I personally would not want > to sell people something they don't want. I'm sorry, I;m not a big fan of > capitalism. I didn't 'want' the other songs on 'Flood' when I bought it for Particle Man and Istanbul. Now I can't say there's any song on 'Flood' I consider skippable. (I actually can't speak at all!) > On the other hand, I am against someone downloading an entire album in mp3 > format, listening to it regularly, and still not buying the album. I say "Right on!" AKA Bob "Not communist" SCott ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990607222910.00efa6f4@pop.cwru.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 18:29:10 -0400 From: SpiderEyes Subject: Re: TMBG: mp3's >>What's "Summer Breeze?" Never done heard o' that one... > >i think it's aka "car without a handle"... i haven't listened to it in a long >time.. but... even if that doesn't help; to answer your question better, it >was a dial a song song. Yeah, that's the one. It's classic dial-a-song style, "In a summer house Out on Cape Cod A number of years ago, My cousin Charles Heard over the radio On WEEI The story of An automobile That had driven from its garage And killed a number Of couples kissing Down by the oceanside. Charles thought about The ocean's waves Down the road just a mile, And as he turned off The radio He saw with his own eyes The very same Door handle they spoke of, Hooked to that radio dial, And the summer breeze Blew in the window That hadn't been open before. So if you hear A radio You had best beware, Be sure there's not A car around, Cuz the [something] still remains. There's a car without a handle And that car is still at large, There's a car without a handle And that car is still at large." - Jen / SpiderEyes Chief Inquisitor Center for Information Control and Thought Prevention http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lights/8222 ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #18-8 *****************************