Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest, Volume 38, Number 19 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 38, Number 19 Monday, 19 February 2001 Topics: Re: TMBG: Twistid Re: TMBG: Twistid Re: Twisted TMBG: Re: Who's Gonna guess the Dead Guy? Re: TMBG: Twistid TMBG: Re: Rare music Re: TMBG: Twistid Re: TMBG: Twistid Re: TMBG: Re: Rare music Re: TMBG: Re: Rare music Re: TMBG: Re: Rare music Re: TMBG: Twistid Re: TMBG: Twistid Administrivia: For all administrative issues, such as change of address, withdrawal from the list, etc., send a message to the following address: ÁÁowner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. tmbg-list is compiled with Digest 3.7b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:34:24 -0800 From: "Erich Cannon" Subject: Re: TMBG: Twistid Message-ID: >Give me a break! How's that any different from all the concert >recordings >you have up? Do you think because something hasn't been released >legally >*at all* it makes it right to give it out? What a double standard! YES! I couldnt have said it better myself. Now if you'll excuse me I want to re-download House of Mayors because I cant get it anywhere else and being a big Giants fan I WANT TO FREAKIN HEAR IT! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:20:25 -0500 From: "The Demonic Kangaroo" Subject: Re: TMBG: Twistid Message-ID: <96ost6$mcm$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org This is interesting, I cannot seem to find the message in which the below quote orginates. In any case, I'd like to bring your attention to the following text taken from an interview with John Linnell on 12/8/99 . The complete transcript is here: http://www.twec.com/TW/Transcripts/Linnell_trans.htm Tdk: John, what do you think about MP3s on the net that are of live TMBG performances? JOHN LINNELL: As long as they're not being sold, I don't have a problem. Once people start to make money with them, we want to know about it. But otherwise, it's good promotion. I'd also like to point out that I don't nor have I ever attempted to profit from the live recordings I make available on my site. Furthermore, while distributing studio material promotes the band as well, it also disrespects them in a big way. -Mike > >Give me a break! How's that any different from all the concert recordings > >you have up? Do you think because something hasn't been released legally > >*at all* it makes it right to give it out? What a double standard! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:29:50 -0500 From: "The Demonic Kangaroo" Subject: Re: Twisted TMBG: Re: Who's Gonna guess the Dead Guy? Message-ID: <96oter$msa$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org I'd like to bring your attention to the following text taken from an interview with John Linnell on 12/8/99 . The complete transcript is here: http://www.twec.com/TW/Transcripts/Linnell_trans.htm ------ Tdk: John, what do you think about MP3s on the net that are of live TMBG performances? JOHN LINNELL: As long as they're not being sold, I don't have a problem. Once people start to make money with them, we want to know about it. But otherwise, it's good promotion. ------ I'd also like to point out that I don't nor have I ever attempted to profit from the live recordings I make available on my site. Furthermore, while distributing studio material promotes the band as well, it also disrespects them in a big way. -Mike > >Give me a break! How's that any different from all the concert recordings > >you have up? Do you think because something hasn't been released legally > >*at all* it makes it right to give it out? What a double standard! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:39:09 -0500 From: "The Demonic Kangaroo" Subject: Re: TMBG: Twistid Message-ID: <96ou0b$nbm$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Okay, the message just showed for me.. weird. Maybe I should stop reading the newsgroup format of the list. -Mike The Demonic Kangaroo wrote in message news:96ost6$mcm$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org... > This is interesting, I cannot seem to find the message in which the below > quote orginates. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:50:18 From: "John Ferrer" Subject: TMBG: Re: Rare music Message-ID: >I never suggested that. You simply have to wait for the material to be >re-released. If you think that twistid is not hurting the future release of >TMBG's second b-side album you are sorely mistaken. Be patient, be patient. >Patience is its own reward. > > -Mike > You seem to forget that TMBG is among the most modest bands in the world. They don't ever seem to have any knowledge that some people really care about every little thing they do, because, well, that's a hard thing to realize. Classic example is all of Flansburgh's quotes about early material he compiled for the Then CDs. He speaks of several early recordings in a blow-off manner, as if there weren't people who would kill several unlikable people to hear their Rod Serling-style Yoko Ono cover. I don't think a b-side album iswhat the Johns are thinking about right now. They're a little busy. If there ever were talk of one, I'm sure Twistid would be accomadating, like it was when TMBG Unlimited started up. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:25:45 From: "John Ferrer" Subject: Re: TMBG: Twistid Message-ID: Um, Mike, you seem to have a weird habit of illustrating the other side's point. I'm guessing you usually lose the fight. Nobody's accusing you of making money off your recordings. The person who wrote that message was taking a mock-angry attitude at you for distributing live music to point out that what you're doing is no different than what Twistid is doing. TMBG fans are lucky enough to have so many great people like you and Adam from Twistid who donate so much time and effort to the Johns and their music. It would take months to track down every little thing about TMBG someone puts up somewhere, because it's fairly safe to say that They have the largest Internet presence of any other band. I have a really hard time finding lyrics, articles, videos, and obscure songs from much more popular bands. The point I'm trying to make is that Twistid is extremely helpful and I don't think it's fair to shoot it down, because I really don't think it's doing anything wrong, and I don't think the Johns would either. I think they'd be flattered that so many people have a genuine interest in songs that they basically decided to throw away on some EP, or even to never even think about again. Let's just all live in harmony, okay? And we all know who the world's #1 deliverymen of harmony are. So let's download the hell out of them. >From: "The Demonic Kangaroo" >Reply-To: "The Demonic Kangaroo" >To: tmbg-list@tmbg.org >Subject: Re: TMBG: Twistid >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:20:25 -0500 > >This is interesting, I cannot seem to find the message in which the below >quote orginates. In any case, I'd like to bring your attention to the >following text taken from an interview with John Linnell on 12/8/99 . The >complete transcript is here: >http://www.twec.com/TW/Transcripts/Linnell_trans.htm > >Tdk: John, what do you think about MP3s on the net that are of live TMBG >performances? > >JOHN LINNELL: As long as they're not being sold, I don't have a problem. >Once people start to make money with them, we want to know about it. But >otherwise, it's good promotion. > >I'd also like to point out that I don't nor have I ever attempted to profit >from the live recordings I make available on my site. Furthermore, while >distributing studio material promotes the band as well, it also disrespects >them in a big way. > > -Mike > > > >Give me a break! How's that any different from all the concert >recordings > > >you have up? Do you think because something hasn't been released >legally > > >*at all* it makes it right to give it out? What a double standard! > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:37:04 -0500 From: "Colleen Anne McClanahan" Subject: Re: TMBG: Twistid Message-ID: <001f01c099d9$ca9836e0$196d96ce@maxweb.com> | > >Give me a break! How's that any different from all the concert | recordings | > >you have up? Do you think because something hasn't been released legally | > >*at all* it makes it right to give it out? What a double standard! | | Tdk: John, what do you think about MP3s on the net that are of live TMBG | performances? | | JOHN LINNELL: As long as they're not being sold, I don't have a problem. | Once people start to make money with them, we want to know about it. But | otherwise, it's good promotion. | | I'd also like to point out that I don't nor have I ever attempted to profit | from the live recordings I make available on my site. Furthermore, while | distributing studio material promotes the band as well, it also disrespects | them in a big way. Not to be rude, but your recordings aren't the highest quality in the world. In my personal opinion, I don't necessarily think it's the best reflection of TMBG. I'm sure many people appreciate them, and I'm not trying to make any sort of judgement on you personally. I have been to a few shows where TMBG has "premiered" a new song (for our region), and Flans has said, "It's weird to see people SINGING ALONG to a new song." in a slightly derisive manner. And.. when you record shows.. do you hide the equipment when you do it? If it REALLY wasn't an issue, you'd record out in the open (and probably get a better quality recording), and with John and Johns permission. Also, Operator Dot is subscribed to this list, and both the Johns have access to the web. How hard would it be for them to find the Twistid site, and if they had a problem with it, ask him to cease and desist? Either way it goes.. both the TDK and Twistid site are sought by fans. Neither are completely and unequivocally ethical in every way. But in the end, if TMBG had a problem with either of them, they have the power to ask the creators of the site to stop giving away their music for free. I think either creator has enough respect for TMBG to honor that request. And now I will return the shadows from whence I came. Colleen Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:04:13 -0500 From: Jason Fickley Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Rare music Message-ID: <200102181903.OAA39868@f05n15.cac.psu.edu> At 05:50 PM 2/18/2001 +0000, you wrote: > >>I never suggested that. You simply have to wait for the material to be >>re-released. If you think that twistid is not hurting the future release of >>TMBG's second b-side album you are sorely mistaken. Be patient, be patient. >>Patience is its own reward. >> >> -Mike VERY, VERY, patient, as the case may be. Do you really think the Electra b-sides are ever going to be re-released (regardless of mp3's on the net)? I sure don't. I was lucky enough to find all of the Electra eps on the net without paying $50 on eBay (they've since been stolen, but that's another story), but I assume that isn't the case for most people. Now that TMBG and Electra are on less than stellar terms with each other, I'd personally be shocked to ever hear news of Insect Hospital or whatever you want to call it. --Jason-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:10:39 -0500 From: Jason Fickley Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Rare music Message-ID: <200102181909.OAA45306@f05n15.cac.psu.edu> I did, of course, spell Elektra wrong. I apologize for the inconveenyance. On a side note, wouldn't it be awesome for TMBG to release Direct From Brooklyn on DVD with the Boss of Me video and a commentary track with the Johns? --Jason-- ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 19:29:51 -0000 From: ctyner@clemson.edu Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Rare music Message-ID: <20010218192951.6398.qmail@reit.pair.com> "At 02:10 PM 2/18/01 -0500, Jason Fickley wrote: On a side note, wouldn't it be awesome for TMBG to release Direct From Brooklyn on DVD with the Boss of Me video and a commentary track with the Johns?" Actually, "Direct From Brooklyn" was originally slated for a DVD release, but it was pulled due to perceived lack of interest. Although I bought DFB, I only watched it once. I don't even keep my VCR connected anymore. That, Sloan's "Second Hand Views" (also not on DVD), and "Return of the Killer Tomatoes" are the only VHS tapes I don't keep in storage. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:24:18 -0500 From: the hanged man Subject: Re: TMBG: Twistid Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010218222104.017c6fe8@oscar.cc.gatech.edu> At 11:20 AM 2/18/2001 -0500, The Demonic Kangaroo wrote: >I'd also like to point out that I don't nor have I ever attempted to profit >from the live recordings I make available on my site. Furthermore, while >distributing studio material promotes the band as well, it also disrespects >them in a big way. They may very well not appreciate out of print studio material being available for download. However, they have also complained before about people knowing the words to songs that haven't been released yet, that they've only played live... and IIRC, you have some such songs on your website. Not that I actually have a problem with either site, mind you... but the guy was right to point out that there is somewhat a double standard here. Twistid doesn't make any money off their site, either. -- -=Matt Brown=- GaTech undergrad cs1050 TA | web: http://thehangedman.digitaldriveway.com | "Every Day is a Good Day" email: thehangedman@death-star.com | -Zen Proverb AIM: THM42 ICQ: 10933909 | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:06:36 -0500 From: "Chrissy Rockwell" Subject: Re: TMBG: Twistid Message-ID: [Unknown MIME type or encoding (text/html), contents not processed] ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #38-19 ******************************