Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest, Volume 42, Number 30 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 42, Number 30 Saturday, 30 June 2001 Topics: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... TMBG: Re: Re: errr... TMBG: mostly offtopic - people's songs, ambassadorness & world tour RE: TMBG: Is the track list final? Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Re: TMBG: best tmbg song ever Re: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #42-28 Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Re:TMBG: Live Journals TMBG: Re: Missouri Ambassadorship Re: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Re:TMBG: Re: Missouri Ambassadorship Re: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Re: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Re: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Re: TMBG: Unreliable Johns Re[2]: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Re: TMBG: Proposed TMBG site RE: TMBG: Is the track list final? Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? 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Re: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #42-28 Re: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #42-28 Administrivia: For all administrative issues, such as change of address, withdrawal from the list, etc., send a message to the following address: ÁÁowner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. tmbg-list is compiled with Digest 3.7b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 03:31:38 -0400 From: "The Demonic Kangaroo" Subject: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Message-ID: <030f01c0ffa4$5e902bc0$8f43c7d0@tdk> Dot works for Hornblow USA, TMBG's management. -Mike ----- Original Message ----- > Can you fill the rest of us in? I had always assumed > she has high credentials, but I don't know what they are. > I'm not asking for a resume, but how (and how close) is > she connected to TMBG? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:31:23 -0600 From: "makebase" Subject: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Message-ID: <9hemj8$1p8$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Thank you. Perhaps if I were logged onto IM, I just could have asked. Shaun The Demonic Kangaroo wrote in message news:030f01c0ffa4$5e902bc0$8f43c7d0@tdk... > Dot works for Hornblow USA, TMBG's management. > > -Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Can you fill the rest of us in? I had always assumed > > she has high credentials, but I don't know what they are. > > I'm not asking for a resume, but how (and how close) is > > she connected to TMBG? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:37:00 +1000 (EST) From: kiralee favelle Subject: TMBG: mostly offtopic - people's songs, ambassadorness & world tour Message-ID: <20010628083700.86314.qmail@web14406.mail.yahoo.com> hey everyone this is a really stupid thing to unlurk to but in response to >I put that song [ana ng] on a tape mix for my wife wayyyy back >(ok..it was only 1995) when we were dating.... After >that, it became 'our' song... and >'Our' song, the song I had my very first kiss to was >Till My Head Falls Off and i say me & my boy first hooked up somewhere between 'sleeping in the flowers' and 'unrelated thing'.. ok so its a bizarre match for lyrics but the entire album too... how i love john henry even more now... yes anyways.. so ...i vote that superspanger@hotmail.com be the ambassador to australia cos i want an ambassador. and i'm guessing that this 'mink car world tour' will indeed be a world tour, and tmbg will come out here (ohhh please please please!!!!!)... yeah... take care everyone. ...celery *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* "my hand on your back where your wings would've been if you'd had a pair, now i'm not achin for you anymore" - 'coming up for air' by the whitlams *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:30:29 -0400 From: "Lee" Subject: RE: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: <001b01c0ffbd$5c61f7c0$6401a8c0@rocky1.ct.home.com> You have all appointed yourselves the "board of directors" in charge of deciding what TMBG material is worthy or not? I have a hard time believing that some of you are really fans at all. Why don't you take a moment to stop and think about what made you a Giants fan in the first place. Perhaps "they" whould go back to doing things the old fashioned way and not preview any new material until the next big album is ready for release. Thay way you all wouldn't be so "bored" with it when the final versions are ready for release by the record label. You should all consider yourselves very lucky that this group believes in unveiling their latest material they way that they do. It gives you some insight into how their creative thought process works. As far as I am concerned, I like their music and respect their creative genious. Generally, I like the songs the first time I hear them and enjoy hearing all the variations. That is why I am a fan and trust me when I say that there are only a handfull of bands that I follow as closely. Lately I have to remind myself that this is the same group that would ravenously outbid each other on ebay for a promo ep with one song on it that has not been released yet. Lee Steel MidLifeCrisis www.megahits.com/lees ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:32:34 -0500 From: "James & Kimberly Mohan" Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: <3B3B15D2.D211B4D9@uswest.net> WOOO-WOOOOOO!! AMEN, BROTHER (OR SISTER)! I've often wondered if some of these Giants fans had a life outside of this band! I understand that's why we're all on this list, but some of you out there can't stop... I've been following the band since 1988, when Lincoln came out, so I have a different opinion about their songs than most, who seemed to have hopped on much later... I've only seen them once in concert, during the Apollo 18 tour... Hey, my 2 fave tunes off the McSweeney's disc are not even Giant tunes...Tracks #20 ('Swimming Hole') & #26 ('Frog and Banjo') I personally thought some of the Giants stuff was a bit too much.. (Not that there's anything wrong with that... it's up to TMBG what they want out there. I can only like and dislike..) Yep....I agree that perhaps the Johns should go back to not previewing. That way I can possibly be surprised by what they have to offer... Sometime, too much information is definitely a bad thing. Like a friend once paraphrased, 'The mind is a terrible thing (...to taste?)' I like the band a lot. And I'll go out and buy the next album. But I do have other things going on...... Hate me if you wish. 'WttJ' Jim TMBG Amb to MN Lee wrote: > You have all appointed yourselves the "board of directors" in charge of > deciding what TMBG material is worthy or not? I have a hard time believing > that some of you are really fans at all. Why don't you take a moment to stop > and think about what made you a Giants fan in the first place. Perhaps > "they" whould go back to doing things the old fashioned way and not preview > any new material until the next big album is ready for release. That way you > all wouldn't be so "bored" with it when the final versions are ready for > release by the record label. You should all consider yourselves very lucky > that this group believes in unveiling their latest material they way that > they do. It gives you some insight into how their creative thought process > works. > > As far as I am concerned, I like their music and respect their creative > genious. Generally, I like the songs the first time I hear them and enjoy > hearing all the variations. That is why I am a fan and trust me when I say > that there are only a handfull of bands that I follow as closely. Lately I > have to remind myself that this is the same group that would ravenously > outbid each other on ebay for a promo ep with one song on it that has not > been released yet. > > Lee Steel > MidLifeCrisis > www.megahits.com/lees ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:37:52 -0500 From: "James & Kimberly Mohan" Subject: Re: TMBG: best tmbg song ever Message-ID: <3B3B1710.F57B3873@uswest.net> It's a close one, but I think 'Ana Ng' comes in just above 'My Guitar' for me.. But '..Guitar' definitely ranks up there.. "Bryan T. Hoerber" wrote: > The Guitar > > At 10:54 PM 6/27/2001, Jon wrote: > >Certain People I Could Name...best TMBG song ever! > > > >I don't know what it is about the song, but it just rocks so much. I > >listened to it about 5 times in a row before writing this e-mail and > >deciding it was the best tmbg song... > > > >What does everyone else consider to be the best (or their favorite) song > >by the johns? > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:41:24 -0500 From: "James & Kimberly Mohan" Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #42-28 Message-ID: <3B3B17E4.CA18D4BA@uswest.net> only if you had that folder available... You are able to choose which folder you want available to other Napsters, if any at all. I know a couple of friends who don't have any folders available..... (the pigs...lol) makebase wrote: > Bill Laird wrote in message > news:000a01c0ff9c$1d603800$9185c997@PANTSMACHINE... > > sampler which has, in turn, shown up on Napster. The other song, Hopeless, > > Speaking of Napster, I have a question. When I was at my last job, I was > lucky enough to be able to listen to music as I worked, so I recorded > selected tracks from all of my CDs as mp3s on my hard drive. Napster, as I > understand it, searches its members hard drives for the mp3 requested and > downloads from the computer with the best connection. So, if someone at my > work on the same computer network had Napster on their computer, not mine, > would people have been able to get the mp3s off my hard drive? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 06:01:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Piontek Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: <20010628130105.6184.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Hoooray! for Minnesotans! (I'm a transplant, currently living in NYC) Anyways, I haven't even been reading this thread because, frankly, who gives a flying toaster? I love Their work, and I've been getting their emusic material while I have a regular Unlimited subscription to emusic (which I got well before the Johns signed up), but their emusic stuff is just extra songs that we're lucky to hear. I'm waiting for their next album just like I always have. And I don't know about the rest of you folks with your ravenous use of CD-burners; despite my owning a burner, I have not burned any of the emusic stuff nor have I listened to it much. I mean, it's not, like, real music, is it? -Adam --- James & Kimberly Mohan wrote: > 'WttJ' Jim > TMBG Amb to MN __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:57:00 -0400 From: karinh@sterl.com Subject: Re:TMBG: Live Journals Message-ID: <845623140@sterl.com> Ahhh... the poo of the legendary chim leads us inexorably to the culprit... Actually, I loved it, & I think most everyone else thought it was fairly humorous. Couple people had a few bad moments there, believing that someone was out to make Flans look like an @$$hole, but the list as a whole caught on pretty quick. I was especially tickled by the one in which "Flans" is mistaken for Drew Carey, snarls at a fan, and is upbraided by "Linnell" for trying to be him... That was a piece of theater! Maybe the guy doing the Linnell journal will get up to speed, & you guys can have a nice public ongoing free-for-all. Or maybe the real Flans will get a journal, and TMBG fans can rank on him for being such an obvious fake. Hey, there's no limit to how weird things can get with just a little effort... Karin H ** FREE THE EXPO 67 ** ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: TMBG: Live Journals Author: Matt Breslin Date: 06/27/01 10:35 PM Hi I am chimpoo *roar* I just joined the list today so I could post this. I don't know how much this has been discussed before, but I am writing to clear up things about the John Flansburgh live journal. The John Flansburgh journal is NOT REAL. I know this because I made it. I apologize to anyone who believed it, but I wasn't trying to trick anybody. The journal is so obviously fake I can't believe people took it seriously at all. I even already declared it fake on the news group. It was only intended to be read by about 5 to 10 people who were in on the inside jokes. I really have no idea how it got so out of control, considering I only showed it to 5 people. I also don't know who made the copy-cat band of dans and john linnell journals so I can't tell you anything about that. Anyway, to anyone who was fooled I apologize. You're welcome to keep reading the journal if you think it's funny, but if you don't just pretend it doesn't exist. Thank you. -chimpoo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:06:20 -0400 From: "Casey Schreiner" Subject: TMBG: Re: Missouri Ambassadorship Message-ID: <002b01c0ffdb$822bc080$90640818@brln1.ct.home.com> Organization: Boston University What *I* would do is marry the current Ambassador and then cut some wires on his plane when he was going somewhere. When he died, I would mourn and then run a successful campaign under the former ambassador's name, saying that I wanted to carry on the legacy. Just a suggestion in case the usurping doesn't work. -Casey Daniel A Kelley wrote in message news:20010626.213101.-681747.0.NormalLikeYou@juno.com... > hey, that's me! i am the ambassador to missourah, er, missouri! > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:00:24 -0600 "makebase" writes: > > > Gary > > > TMBG Ambassador to Missouri > > > ((Note: the ambassadorship to Missourah is, as yet, unclaimed)) You fight for ambassadorship, Gary. Don't let something like an existing, legitimate ambassador stand in your way. Sieze power any way you can! Shaun TMBG ambassador and advocate of usurpation of power ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:20:02 EDT From: TMBGDot@aol.com Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/28/01 3:31:44 AM, tdk@theymightbegiants.org writes: << Dot works for Hornblow USA, TMBG's management. >> No, I work for TMBG. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:29:34 -0400 From: karinh@sterl.com Subject: Re:TMBG: Re: Missouri Ambassadorship Message-ID: <3844346513@sterl.com> You know, here in Civilized Society we really don't need to stoop to booby-trapping planes to achieve political status. Thanks to the glory of our democratic republic, these little disputes can be solved in the electoral arena, before God and everyone. All you have to do is mount a good clean American campaign, in which you accuse your opponent of being a cross-dressing, crackhead pedophile, and then invite him to deny it. That should go over big in Missoura. Karin H ** FREE THE EXPO 67 ** ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: TMBG: Re: Missouri Ambassadorship Author: Casey Schreiner Date: 06/28/01 10:06 AM What *I* would do is marry the current Ambassador and then cut some wires on his plane when he was going somewhere. When he died, I would mourn and then run a successful campaign under the former ambassador's name, saying that I wanted to carry on the legacy. Just a suggestion in case the usurping doesn't work. -Casey Daniel A Kelley wrote in message news:20010626.213101.-681747.0.NormalLikeYou@juno.com... > hey, that's me! i am the ambassador to missourah, er, missouri! > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:00:24 -0600 "makebase" writes: > > > Gary > > > TMBG Ambassador to Missouri > > > ((Note: the ambassadorship to Missourah is, as yet, unclaimed)) You fight for ambassadorship, Gary. Don't let something like an existing, legitimate ambassador stand in your way. Sieze power any way you can! Shaun TMBG ambassador and advocate of usurpation of power ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:38:23 -0400 From: "Father Bingo" Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Message-ID: <9hffjl$nhv$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: Make Them Look How so? What do you do? ...besides lurk on newsgroups and mailing lists, that is. wrote in message news:ae.16f959be.286c9712@aol.com... > > In a message dated 6/28/01 3:31:44 AM, tdk@theymightbegiants.org writes: > > << Dot works for Hornblow USA, TMBG's management. >> > > No, I work for TMBG. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:43:47 -0400 From: "Colleen Anne McClanahan" Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Message-ID: <005e01c0ffe0$bcfd7be0$2d3091d0@consolidate.internal.maxweb.com> Father Bingo: (referring to TMBG Dot) | How so? What do you do? ...besides lurk on newsgroups and mailing lists, | that is. She's....... *drumroll* Working Undercover for the Man. !!!!!!! I couldn't resist. I apologize. Colleen Anne | wrote in message news:ae.16f959be.286c9712@aol.com... | > | > In a message dated 6/28/01 3:31:44 AM, tdk@theymightbegiants.org writes: | > | > << Dot works for Hornblow USA, TMBG's management. >> | > | > No, I work for TMBG. | | | | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:56:23 EDT From: Kaylum@aol.com Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: <113.e7cf73.286c9f97@aol.com> If you think the complaining here is bad, it's nothing compared to what's going on on the newsgroup and web board. Someone actually said that he downloaded the Unlimited songs from "other sources" (meaning stole them) and "I still feel ripped off." Some nerve, eh? Kay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:43:09 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Unreliable Johns Message-ID: Bill Laird: >Not casting aspersions on anyone, but it'll take more than an ebay listing, >a >fake John Flansburgh livejournal, and a bunch of listees to make me swallow >a track listing. It could go either way, but I'll decide it's so when a >John >says. And the Johns are really reliable sources? Are you forgetting about "New album in 1999," "new album DEFINITELY out in 2000," and probably some more stuff I'm forgetting? Not that I think the Johns are big, big, fake, fake liars, so much as that they don't bother to find out if things are feasible before getting the fans' hopes up. Who's to say they wouldn't declare the track list final, then decide to cut something and add something else? I wouldn't put it past them. >Well, for most bands when you have a "Final master" you have a bunch of >songs that have been recorded more or less the way you want them. It's not >necessarily ready to be pressed. I mean, the "final master" of Factory >showroom included Reprehensible, On the Drag and a couple of others as I >recall. I just can't really swallow that with the apparent support of >Thunderbird (and there seems to be a lot of it), that they'd just ignore it >in favor of the less popular Edith Head and I've Got a Fang. A lot of support for "Thunderbird" ON THIS LIST. I agree whole-heartedly that it should have been on there, but most casual non-Internet fans probably haven't even heard of it. Besides, as I mentioned before, what the fans want never seems to be much of a factor in what the Johns decide. (Incidentally, I'm glad "I've Got A Fang" made it to the album, but I could do without another "Edith Head." But do the Johns care what I think?) >Yes, Unrealiable Narrator was, supposedly, a song. It was mentioned by >Flansburgh in a chat promoting Long Tall Weekend as "a song Linnell just >wrote" which he considered "possibly the best They Might Be Giants song >ever" and he suggested that it would be the title track for the new album, >way back when. Yes, I remember the chat (although I guess Flans could have been making a joke), and I remember the working title, and it DOES seem remarkably odd that Flansburgh's favorite TMBG song wouldn't be on the album. (Maybe he thinks no one else will appreciate it like he does.) Still, I don't think they ever specifically mentioned that "Unreliable Narrator" would be on an album; it just seemed highly likely. > >>In any case, it's a good record, and one I'd certainly buy if I weren't > >>already getting it for free from Unlimited. > > >I think most peope here would. > >I dunno, there's a lotta bitching. There's always a lot of bitching, but that doesn't seem to stop people from going out and buying whatever the Johns put out. -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:46:46 -0400 From: karinh@sterl.com Subject: Re[2]: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Message-ID: <1111323022@sterl.com> Kay sez: >I'll let Dot speak for herself if she so chooses, but I will say that she's a >great person and TMBG is lucky to have her working for them Hear, hear.... I have been the recipient of Operator Dot's kindness. I can't say exactly what lengths she's capable of, and willing to, go to to ensure a happy fan base, cause then she'd be inundated by people begging her to do it for them, too. Hey, wait, that didn't come out right. That wasn't how I meant it *at all*. Y'all just keep your slimy lil minds to yourselves. I meant that in the purest, most wholesome possible sense. OpDot is a lovely, dedicated person, & They are lucky she's on their team. Karin H ** FREE THE EXPO 67 ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:50:04 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Proposed TMBG site Message-ID: Ondine: >This may be considered >duplicating information by some, but I suggest that we have chords on that >site as well. I'm willing to do as many as possible (I'm a student with >summers off; I have nothing else to do). I think I've found a few at >TMBG.org that weren't exactly in the right (or, at least, that's what it >sounds like to me), so I'll check and/or re-figure out the chords to all of >their songs (or as many as possible) to ensure that we're not duplicating >information here. Also, TMBG.org doesn't have any chords (or any >information >at all, for that matter) on any of the UnLtd tracks. I could include those, >along with whatever else you fine people suggest that I'm unaware of. Good >idea? Bad idea? Need some feedback here. Well, I was the one who suggested the site in the first place (although I haven't had much time to work on it recently), and I tend to think that chords are outside the scope of what I want to convey. Besides, I don't play any instruments, so I couldn't vouch for their accuracy. Why don't you make your own page for TMBG chords? -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:58:41 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: RE: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: Lee Steel: >You have all appointed yourselves the "board of directors" in charge of >deciding what TMBG material is worthy or not? I have a hard time believing >that some of you are really fans at all. Do you think that anyone BUT TMBG fans would bother critiquing the track list? >Why don't you take a moment to stop >and think about what made you a Giants fan in the first place. Because they said "Thunderbird" would be on the next album! (No, I'm just kidding.) >Perhaps "they" whould go back to doing things the old fashioned way and not >preview >any new material until the next big album is ready for release. Thay way >you >all wouldn't be so "bored" with it when the final versions are ready for >release by the record label. I only became a fan AFTER the release of Factory Showroom, so I'm not totally sure, but weren't they previewing stuff on Dial-A-Song LONG before the Internet became well-known? >You should all consider yourselves very lucky >that this group believes in unveiling their latest material they way that >they do. It gives you some insight into how their creative thought process >works. I agree, yet I can still see the arguments against TMBG Unlimited putting up album tracks. True, subscribers are getting it free, so it's not like they're getting ripped off or anything, but wouldn't it make more sense to put up more rare stuff, rather than tracks that everyone will have on CD in a few months? -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:01:50 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: Adam: >And I don't know about the rest of you folks with your >ravenous use of CD-burners; despite my owning a >burner, I have not burned any of the emusic stuff nor >have I listened to it much. I mean, it's not, like, >real music, is it? Well, I'm not an Unlimited subscriber, but, from what I understand, the tracks ARE real music. I think some people want to listen to these songs when they're not at the computer. Besides, it's good to have a back-up in case of a disk crash, isn't it? After the first month a song is up, there's no way to download it again. -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:02:30 -0600 From: Chris Nuccitelli Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: <3B3B5516.5D38890D@campuspipeline.com> Actually, they did.... I've got a live mp3 of it (from TDK's site, I believe) where Flans says, "here's a brand new song, this actually is from our next thing...." etc. so at one point it was planned the album, at least.... Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote: > Because they said "Thunderbird" would be on the next album! (No, I'm just > kidding.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:37:46 From: "Lucas Thompson" Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: >the hidden >track on It's Fun To Steal Whoah whoah whoah! What hidden track? How do I find it? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:59:36 -0400 From: scratch Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: <3B3B6278.1CE1C10@the-pentagon.com> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote: > > >Perhaps "they" whould go back to doing things the old fashioned way and not > >preview > >any new material until the next big album is ready for release. Thay way > >you > >all wouldn't be so "bored" with it when the final versions are ready for > >release by the record label. > > I only became a fan AFTER the release of Factory Showroom, so I'm not > totally sure, but weren't they previewing stuff on Dial-A-Song LONG before > the Internet became well-known? That and live shows. -scratch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:00:44 -0400 From: scratch Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: <3B3B62BC.BF2EB562@the-pentagon.com> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Same way as Factory Showroom, except you go further backwards (almost 2 minutes, I think). -scratch Lucas Thompson wrote: > > >the hidden > >track on It's Fun To Steal > > Whoah whoah whoah! What hidden track? How do I find it? > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:04:46 -0400 From: scratch Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Message-ID: <3B3B63AE.708D46B@the-pentagon.com> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org I agree completely. -scratch > karinh@sterl.com wrote: > > Kay sez: > > >I'll let Dot speak for herself if she so chooses, but I will say that > she's a > >great person and TMBG is lucky to have her working for them > > Hear, hear.... > > I have been the recipient of Operator Dot's kindness. I can't say > exactly what lengths she's capable of, and willing to, go to to ensure > a happy fan base, cause then she'd be inundated by people begging her > to do it for them, too. > > Hey, wait, that didn't come out right. That wasn't how I meant it *at > all*. Y'all just keep your slimy lil minds to yourselves. I meant > that in the purest, most wholesome possible sense. OpDot is a lovely, > dedicated person, & They are lucky she's on their team. > > Karin H > > ** FREE THE EXPO 67 ** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:06:41 -0400 From: "Father Bingo" Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: <9hfo9o$10rf$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: Make Them Look on twistid: ftp://208.44.40.4/(MonoPuff)-HiddenTrack.mp3 "scratch" wrote in message news:3B3B62BC.BF2EB562@the-pentagon.com... > Same way as Factory Showroom, except you go further backwards (almost 2 > minutes, I think). > > -scratch > > Lucas Thompson wrote: > > > > >the hidden > > >track on It's Fun To Steal > > > > Whoah whoah whoah! What hidden track? How do I find it? > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:27:16 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: Is the track list final? Message-ID: Chris: >Actually, they did.... I've got a live mp3 of it (from TDK's site, I >believe) where Flans says, "here's a brand new song, this actually is >from our next thing...." etc. so at one point it was planned the >album, at least.... No, I know they had originally planned for "Thunderbird" to be on the album. What I was kidding about was that that was what made me a fan in the first place. >Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote: > > Because they said "Thunderbird" would be on the next album! (No, I'm >just > > kidding.) -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Westwood Subject: TMBG: best tmbg song Message-ID: <20010628182246.28872.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> <> I can honestly say that when certain people I could name came out there was more than one occassion that I put the cd player on repeat and listened to it for up to 8 hours straight while I worked around the house. Right now however I think their greatest song is hovering sombrero. Oh by the way does anyone really think that No Answer would get released with the current lyrics. It seems really dark for TMBG. The Token Back to Brooklyn version that was finally released was a lot less dark than the one on dial a song. <> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:33:46 -0400 From: "Yer Pal Paul" Subject: Re: TMBG: Album Sales Message-ID: <9hft9a$16ek$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org "lawrence solomon" wrote in message news:3B3AB0CD.56725B8B@fruhead.com... > Dan Brosnan wrote: > > > Just a quick question for anyone who can answer. Does anyone know how > > many albums approx tmbg has sold and has Flood OFFICIALLY gone platinum yet? > > Also, what besides Flood is their best selling album. I would asume the > > Pink album but I'm not at all sure of that. > > according to the RIAA website, Flood went Gold in 1993, but has not gone > platinum. I don't know of any sites that list actual sales figures, but my > guess would be that Flood is in the 900k range. > > I remember seeing something about Apollo 18 selling something like 200k, and > John Henry doing slightly worse. I don't know how any of the more recent > albums have done (I'd guess about the same or worse). > > As for best selling other than Flood, I'd say probably Apollo 18, despite its > poor showing, simply because it did follow Flood on Elektra (and remember, > Flood didn't go gold until 1993, which means people were still buying it for a > year after Apollo 18 had come out) and they still had a bit of name > recognition. although I know Lincoln sold extremely well for a non-major > label release, but I doubt it's sold more than 200k. > -- > lawrence solomon * http://www.fruhead.com/users/zaph * zaph@fruhead.com Dan's question is a good one that I've wasted a lot of time and effort trying to find some answers for. I can't really understand why they keep this information so secret and hidden. After all, viewership ratings and ticket sales for TV shows, movies, sporting events and such are pretty easy to come by, why must record sales numbers be so clandestine? For the record, from what I know and what I suspect, my response would be very similar to what Lawrence said (except I thought that A18 was closer to 300K-400K). He's the second smartest guy here, ya know. Yer Pal Paul Not back on that old Time is Money kick, still on it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:04:20 -0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" Subject: Re: TMBG: best tmbg song Message-ID: Scot Westwood: >Right now however I think their greatest song is >hovering sombrero. I wonder which version will end up being on Mink Car. There are at least two different ones floating around (one with Spanish lyrics, and one without). >Oh by the way does anyone really think that No Answer >would get released with the current lyrics. It seems >really dark for TMBG. The Token Back to Brooklyn >version that was finally released was a lot less dark >than the one on dial a song. Well, there have been a lot of dark TMBG songs, but, as far as I know, that's the only one that mentions a dead baby. If it's ever released, it might be changed somewhat, or it might not. That's up to the Johns to decide, I suppose. -- May the light shine upon thee, Nathan DinnerBell@tmbg.org http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:33:52 EDT From: CallMeDoctorWorm@aol.com Subject: Re: TMBG: best tmbg song Message-ID: <2b.1778d6c9.286ce0a0@aol.com> All I can say is my current fave is End of The Tour, because I just taught myself how to play it on the piano. And I on't know how to play piano. Doc Rick Worm Official (oh-FIH-see-uhl) TMBG Ambassador to the State of Ohio, the Heart of It All. Bob Taft, Mayor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:50:13 -0400 From: Amy Greenlese Subject: RE: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #42-28 Message-ID: makebase wonders: >Speaking of Napster, I have a question. When I was at my last job, I was >lucky enough to be able to listen to music as I worked, so I recorded >selected tracks from all of my CDs as mp3s on my hard drive. Napster, as I >understand it, searches its members hard drives for the mp3 requested and >downloads from the computer with the best connection. So, if someone at my >work on the same computer network had Napster on their computer, not mine, >would people have been able to get the mp3s off my hard drive? Short answer: probably not. Long answer: The other person on your computer network would have to be using YOUR computer, have Napster open, and have those folders shared. If the other person at work was using a different computer, they could only get to your hard drive if: 1. (most importantly) Your computer was on 2. (also important) Napster was open on your turned-on computer 3. You had Napster set up to share the folders with your mp3's in them. Napster looks directly at the specified folders on your hard drive, not through a computer network. Amy :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Scot Westwood Subject: Re: TMBG: Unreliable Johns Message-ID: <20010628195243.26647.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> The John's are not very reliable sources Operator Dot however, has never been wrong as far as I can tell --- Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote: > Bill Laird: > >Not casting aspersions on anyone, but it'll take > more than an ebay listing, > >a > >fake John Flansburgh livejournal, and a bunch of > listees to make me swallow > >a track listing. It could go either way, but I'll > decide it's so when a > >John > >says. > > And the Johns are really reliable sources? Are you > forgetting about "New > album in 1999," "new album DEFINITELY out in 2000," > and probably some more > stuff I'm forgetting? Not that I think the Johns > are big, big, fake, fake > liars, so much as that they don't bother to find out > if things are feasible > before getting the fans' hopes up. Who's to say > they wouldn't declare the > track list final, then decide to cut something and > add something else? I > wouldn't put it past them. > > >Well, for most bands when you have a "Final master" > you have a bunch of > >songs that have been recorded more or less the way > you want them. It's not > >necessarily ready to be pressed. I mean, the "final > master" of Factory > >showroom included Reprehensible, On the Drag and a > couple of others as I > >recall. I just can't really swallow that with the > apparent support of > >Thunderbird (and there seems to be a lot of it), > that they'd just ignore it > >in favor of the less popular Edith Head and I've > Got a Fang. > > A lot of support for "Thunderbird" ON THIS LIST. I > agree whole-heartedly > that it should have been on there, but most casual > non-Internet fans > probably haven't even heard of it. Besides, as I > mentioned before, what the > fans want never seems to be much of a factor in what > the Johns decide. > (Incidentally, I'm glad "I've Got A Fang" made it to > the album, but I could > do without another "Edith Head." But do the Johns > care what I think?) > > >Yes, Unrealiable Narrator was, supposedly, a song. > It was mentioned by > >Flansburgh in a chat promoting Long Tall Weekend as > "a song Linnell just > >wrote" which he considered "possibly the best They > Might Be Giants song > >ever" and he suggested that it would be the title > track for the new album, > >way back when. > > Yes, I remember the chat (although I guess Flans > could have been making a > joke), and I remember the working title, and it DOES > seem remarkably odd > that Flansburgh's favorite TMBG song wouldn't be on > the album. (Maybe he > thinks no one else will appreciate it like he does.) > Still, I don't think > they ever specifically mentioned that "Unreliable > Narrator" would be on an > album; it just seemed highly likely. > > > >>In any case, it's a good record, and one I'd > certainly buy if I weren't > > >>already getting it for free from Unlimited. > > > > >I think most peope here would. > > > >I dunno, there's a lotta bitching. > > There's always a lot of bitching, but that doesn't > seem to stop people from > going out and buying whatever the Johns put out. > -- > May the light shine upon thee, > Nathan > DinnerBell@tmbg.org > http://www.geocities.com/fablesto/ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:58:48 -0400 From: scratch Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #42-28 Message-ID: <3B3B8C78.2641A232@the-pentagon.com> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Amy Greenlese wrote: > > makebase wonders: > >Speaking of Napster, I have a question. When I was at my last job, I was > >lucky enough to be able to listen to music as I worked, so I recorded > >selected tracks from all of my CDs as mp3s on my hard drive. Napster, as I > >understand it, searches its members hard drives for the mp3 requested and > >downloads from the computer with the best connection. So, if someone at my > >work on the same computer network had Napster on their computer, not mine, > >would people have been able to get the mp3s off my hard drive? > > Short answer: probably not. > > Long answer: The other person on your computer network would have to be > using YOUR computer, have Napster open, and have those folders shared. If > the other person at work was using a different computer, they could only get > to your hard drive if: > 1. (most importantly) Your computer was on > 2. (also important) Napster was open on your turned-on computer > 3. You had Napster set up to share the folders with your mp3's in them. > > Napster looks directly at the specified folders on your hard drive, not > through a computer network. That's not completely true. You can map a shared folder/drive on a networked computer as a hard drive on any other the computer on the network, and then share it through Napster. And newer versions of Napster sometimes share all the places with MP3s they find on your hard drives, even if you don't explicitly share them. As long as the folder/drive isn't shared though, you should be safe. -scratch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:00:14 -0400 From: "Colleen Anne McClanahan" Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #42-28 Message-ID: <00c801c1000c$f29a71a0$2d3091d0@consolidate.internal.maxweb.com> Amy Greenlese: | | Short answer: probably not. | | Long answer: The other person on your computer network would have to be | using YOUR computer, have Napster open, and have those folders shared. If | the other person at work was using a different computer, they could only get | to your hard drive if: | 1. (most importantly) Your computer was on | 2. (also important) Napster was open on your turned-on computer | 3. You had Napster set up to share the folders with your mp3's in them. | | Napster looks directly at the specified folders on your hard drive, not | through a computer network. Hmm. That's mostly true. I have a bunch of network drives mapped as local drives on my computer. So technically, I think someone could map her hard drive (so it's a letter drive on their own computer), and then share her files that way. That's a very remote possibility, and probably not going to happen. :) Colleen Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:59:48 -0600 From: "makebase" Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #42-28 Message-ID: <9hg2ef$1cd9$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org This makes me feel better. I am anti-Napster, and would hate for my mp3s to be "shared" without my consent, as I want nothing to do with it all. Please, don't take this, however, as an invitation to flame me on why Napster rules. I had this debate over a year ago, either here or on the newsgroup, I don't recall. Suffice it to say, I don't want to participate in Napster-like activities, and I can't stop y'all from doing it, so let's just all agree that "A Self Called Nowhere" is the greatest TMBG song and get on with our lives. Shaun TMBG Citizen in Utah Amy Greenlese wrote in message news:C32F533DDBD1D311A6990008C75D2CF5DCFD3C@messenger.internal.ascinet.com.. . > makebase wonders: > >Speaking of Napster, I have a question. When I was at my last job, I was > >lucky enough to be able to listen to music as I worked, so I recorded > >selected tracks from all of my CDs as mp3s on my hard drive. Napster, as I > >understand it, searches its members hard drives for the mp3 requested and > >downloads from the computer with the best connection. So, if someone at my > >work on the same computer network had Napster on their computer, not mine, > >would people have been able to get the mp3s off my hard drive? > > Short answer: probably not. > > Long answer: The other person on your computer network would have to be > using YOUR computer, have Napster open, and have those folders shared. If > the other person at work was using a different computer, they could only get > to your hard drive if: > 1. (most importantly) Your computer was on > 2. (also important) Napster was open on your turned-on computer > 3. You had Napster set up to share the folders with your mp3's in them. > > Napster looks directly at the specified folders on your hard drive, not > through a computer network. > > Amy :) > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:02:33 EDT From: EmarZero@aol.com Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Re: errr... Message-ID: In a message dated 6/28/01 10:20:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TMBGDot@aol.com writes: > << Dot works for Hornblow USA, TMBG's management. >> > > eee. Operator Dot READS this list? I suddenly feel like my hand is in the cookie jar and mom just came into the room. My immediate thought was "Wow. Bet she thinks WE'RE a pathetic bunch of whiners, huh?" -HX, wah wah, song X isn't on the new album! wah wah, I don't like the arrangement of song Y. Jesus, people, at least we're GETTING a new album. At least TMBG is still together. Try being a Clash fan. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:07:00 -0600 From: "makebase" Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: tmbg-list Digest #42-28 Message-ID: <9hg2tu$1cso$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Okay, now I'm worried again. I mean, I don't work there anymore, but I'd hate to think that my ignorance threw a bunch of mp3s out into cyberspace. Luckily, I don't think that any of the people at the office who had Napster really understood how to map to other people's drives to make them drives on their own computers, but, if, when Napster is searching for mp3s, it would search the network, then my mp3 folder would have most certainly been vulnerable. However, if it only searches preselected drives, then they should have been safe. Grr! Colleen Anne McClanahan wrote in message news:00c801c1000c$f29a71a0$2d3091d0@consolidate.internal.maxweb.com... > Amy Greenlese: > | > | Short answer: probably not. > | > | Long answer: The other person on your computer network would have to be > | using YOUR computer, have Napster open, and have those folders shared. If > | the other person at work was using a different computer, they could only > get > | to your hard drive if: > | 1. (most importantly) Your computer was on > | 2. (also important) Napster was open on your turned-on computer > | 3. You had Napster set up to share the folders with your mp3's in them. > | > | Napster looks directly at the specified folders on your hard drive, not > | through a computer network. > > Hmm. That's mostly true. > I have a bunch of network drives mapped as local drives on my computer. > So technically, I think someone could map her hard drive (so it's a letter > drive on their own computer), and then share her files that way. That's a > very remote possibility, and probably not going to happen. :) > > Colleen Anne > ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #42-30 ******************************