Errors-To: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Reply-To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Sender: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Precedence: bulk From: owner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org To: tmbg-digest@tmbg.org Subject: tmbg-list Digest, Volume 43, Number 21 tmbg-list Digest, Volume 43, Number 21 Saturday, 21 July 2001 Topics: Re: TMBG: Christian Lyrics TMBG: London gig TMBG: TMBG tour listing Re: TMBG: London gig TMBG: Re: Atheism TMBG: Re: Atheism TMBG: Re: Atheism TMBG: Notre Dame show Openers... was Re: TMBG: London gig Re: TMBG: Re: Atheism Re: Openers... was Re: TMBG: London gig Re: Openers... was Re: TMBG: London gig Re: Openers... was Re: TMBG: London gig TMBG: Re: TMBG tour listing TMBG: They Might Be Atheists TMBG: Re: They Might Be Atheists Re: TMBG: TMBG tour listing Administrivia: For all administrative issues, such as change of address, withdrawal from the list, etc., send a message to the following address: ÁÁowner-tmbg-digest@tmbg.org The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. tmbg-list is compiled with Digest 3.7b (John Relph ). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:33:34 -0600 From: "makebase" Subject: Re: TMBG: Christian Lyrics Message-ID: <9j8jhv$9gh$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Yeah, like I said, my reasons for thinking that Flans wasn't an atheist were pretty weak, and I think I did a pretty good job of poking holes in my own logic. The "religious" holiday song topics is a pretty weak argument considering that if Flans does have theist inclinations, he'd be the only one of the two and they've covered Christmas and Hanukkah. Unless Flans is part Christian, part Jewish, then there goes that argument totally. I'm not sure it really matters, though, as far as their music is concerned. I mean, would "Edison Museum" sound any different if one or both of them believed in God? I doubt it. And, it's not like they're Trent Reznor or Marilyn Manson. The Johns seem like pleasant, polite, and tolerant people who like their fans. Of course, I'm the only one who seems to have mentioned whether or not it matters that one or both of them are atheists, so perhaps I'm the only one who thought, even for a moment, that it might make a difference at all. Still love the Johns. You know, like I love pizza. Oh, and I was a little disappointed with the Hanukkah/Harmonica rhyme. It was a bit obvious. I mean, if Adam Sandler could come up with it... -- Shaun www.tmbg.cc Favorite pizza topping: breakfast bacon David Poppers wrote in message news:3B57578A.19156317@earthlink.net... > Well, if you want the ultimate in religious mockery, look no further > than "Kiss Me, Son of God." Just read the lyrics a few times. A few > other songs which hint at some religious themes are Spiraling Shape > (which is about just about anything, but I persist), The Bells Are > Ringing (Bells = Church = Mind Control? Could be.), and Dirt Bike (Which > is about a bike who becomes a sort of savior/Christ-like figure. A > friggin' bicycle.) > The guy who runs the site said he'd put Linnell up on his next update, > and who knows when that'll be? Then again, he does update fairly often. > The interview can be read at tmbg.net, http://www.tmbg.net/articles/applesoranges1994.html. > TMBG also did a Hanukkah song, "Festival of Lights," in which Linnell > managed to rhyme Hanukkah with Harmonica, and got away with it. It's on > twistid, if you care enough to download it. > > Pi. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:30:47 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: Ian Stevens Subject: TMBG: London gig Message-ID: <20010720123048.25734.qmail@fsmail.net> Hello from the UK! I'm new to the list. I like it! Saw They in London on Monday - truly EXCELLENT! A great show and a great (and rowdy) audience. Any other list members there? If anyone's interested, I have come across two reviews for the concert: one from "The Guardian", which is very sniffy and really misses the point (I hate these reviewers that are more interested with the sound of their own voices than with the concert and the reaction enjoyed among the audience); the other from "The Independent". These are Britain's two more liberal-minded serious newspapers. Anyway, the reviews are at: Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/reviews/story/0,3604,523799,00.html Independent: http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/music/live_reviews/story.jsp?story=83906 I like the line "It's like prog-rock, with attention-deficit disorder" and I'm not entirely sure that the Johns wouldn't approve. I have another point or question, or whatever... TMBG support bands: I've seen the band four times now and each time the support band has been excellent. Monday night was a British band (maybe Irish, I'm not sure), Cousteau and they were great (fabulous singer). I also enjoyed Mike Viola when I saw them in the States earlier this year. David Poe was superb when TMBG played in London in 1999, as were The Waltons in 1995 or 1996 (whenever the hell it was). How does it work? Do the Johns have any say in who supports or is it purely one of those nasty commercial record company type decisions? And am I alone in having enjoyed TMBG support bands? Okay, that's enough. Ian What's he like? It's not important. ____________________________________________________________ Freeserve - get your free ISP service including web-mail at: www.freeserve.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:21:18 EDT From: PosterKid1@aol.com Subject: TMBG: TMBG tour listing Message-ID: Hey, does anybody know of a site that lists a more or less complete TMBG tour-ology? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:35:37 EDT From: CallMeDoctorWorm@aol.com Subject: Re: TMBG: London gig Message-ID: <24.166e0331.2889a9c9@aol.com> In a message dated 7/20/01 8:32:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, is@ianstevens.fsnet.co.uk writes: > At the one concert I went to, in Oberlin, Ohio in April, Muckaferguson opened for Them, and they (Muckaferguson) were great. They also had SR-71 realier, and they wre okay. But Muckaferguson was really really cool. Doc Rick Worm TMBG A to OH ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jul 2001 17:05:35 -0000 From: ctyner@clemson.edu Subject: TMBG: Re: Atheism Message-ID: <20010720170535.40118.qmail@reit.pair.com> > From MonoPuff's "Devil Went Down to Newport" > > No Linnell on that one either, it's all Flansy. ...though Flans didn't write it. It's a cover of a Clamdiggers song written by Ted Widmer and Nat Freedberg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:22:33 -0400 From: "Yer Pal Paul" Subject: TMBG: Re: Atheism Message-ID: <9j9pc2$b23$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org wrote in message news:a05010400b77e13bcc8c4@[207.149.128.198]... > "Go go Satan go." (repeat 6 times) > > From MonoPuff's "Devil Went Down to Newport" > I was always struck by the double meaning of that line. Could be: Go go Satan go! You rule! Rock on, dude! or... Go, go, Satan, go! Get out of here ye vile devil! The mighty Lord hath vanished thee! Thee and thy rotting cloven feet! Only able art thou to hangest four, LOSER! Or, more probably, neither, as its a cover. Blame the Clam Diggers (or whoever). As to the whole question on whether John and John are aethists, I really haven't seen enough evidence to convince me that it's any of our business. Yer Pal Paul Not back on that Time is Money kick, still on it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:01:45 EDT From: BillN33b@aol.com Subject: TMBG: Notre Dame show Message-ID: <109.2d7995d.2889cc09@aol.com> Does anyone have any ticket/venue info on the Notre Dame show on 8/31. I might journey the 3+ hours but need some info first. Any help is much appreciated! Bill Neeb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:08:50 -0400 From: "Colleen Anne McClanahan" Subject: Openers... was Re: TMBG: London gig Message-ID: <006901c11147$076f00f0$2d3091d0@consolidate.internal.maxweb.com> | In a message dated 7/20/01 8:32:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, | is@ianstevens.fsnet.co.uk writes: | | | > And am I alone in having enjoyed TMBG support bands? | | At the one concert I went to, in Oberlin, Ohio in April, Muckaferguson opened | for Them, and they (Muckaferguson) were great. They also had SR-71 realier, | and they wre okay. Muckafurgason was GREAT at Oberlin, I'll have to agree. I don't think SR-71 was really an opening band, more part of a double-bill. They are Up-And-Coming rock stars (SR-71 even made Rock Star (tm) faces. It amused me. Overall, they weren't bad, though.) My all-time favorite TMBG opening band was Lincoln. Now, I suppose Lincoln is semi-incorporated into TMBG, minus Chris Temple... I really wish they wouldn't have broken up. Another really great opening band for TMBG was You Were Spiraling. Tom Brislin, the lead vocalist/songwriter has been Meatloaf's touring keyboardist, and this summer he's touring with Yes. I've talked to him online a few times, and he's a nice guy, who's a really great keyboardist. You can hear some of their stuff at http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/48/you_were_spiraling.html Michael Shelley was also a decent opener. I saw him three times, I think, and got a free cd. I like his stuff, but every song sounds the same. He was fun to watch on stage, and in general engaged the audience. Colleen Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:12:55 EDT From: Kaylum@aol.com Subject: Re: TMBG: Re: Atheism Message-ID: In a message dated 7/20/01 1:25:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pburge@acentech.com writes: > As to the whole question on whether John and John are aethists, I really > haven't seen enough evidence to convince me that it's any of our business. Amen, Brother Paul! An individual's faith is much to complicated a thing to determine with any certaintly from the basis of a few terse quotes (especially from two guys known to enjoy getting a rise out of interviewers). Kay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:12:38 -0400 From: "Colleen Anne McClanahan" Subject: Re: Openers... was Re: TMBG: London gig Message-ID: <007901c1114f$f12559d0$2d3091d0@consolidate.internal.maxweb.com> Scratch: | Colleen Anne McClanahan wrote: | > Muckafurgason was GREAT at Oberlin, I'll have to agree. I don't think SR-71 | > was really an opening band, more part of a double-bill. They are | > Up-And-Coming rock stars (SR-71 even made Rock Star (tm) faces. It amused | > me. Overall, they weren't bad, though.) | > | > My all-time favorite TMBG opening band was Lincoln. Now, I suppose Lincoln | > is semi-incorporated into TMBG, minus Chris Temple... I really wish they | How can you talk about good semi-regular TMBG openers and not mention | Mike Viola? Blasphemy!! He's my favorite, then YWS, then Lincoln, then | Muckafurgason. They're all really great. I've never heard Michael | Shelley or SR-71, so I can't comment on them. I'm just wishing I'd | actually bought one of Muckafurgason's albums at the concert, I've only | found 2 songs online... I can not mention Mike Viola as an opener because I've never seen him opening for TMBG (or at all, for that matter.:) Although I'll state again that I'm pretty sure SR-71 wasn't opening for TMBG, but rather it was a double bill. They left before TMBG ever came on stage (I think they had a show in Cleveland opening for Bon Jovi, that evening.) Anyhow... I have seen TMBG opening for Violent Femmes.. and my roommate really dug a band called Swales that opened for TMBG in 96 or so. I only remember them being so-so. Colleen Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:41:19 -0400 From: scratch Subject: Re: Openers... was Re: TMBG: London gig Message-ID: <3B58895F.FD203AA8@the-pentagon.com> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Colleen Anne McClanahan wrote: > > Scratch: > | Colleen Anne McClanahan wrote: > | > Muckafurgason was GREAT at Oberlin, I'll have to agree. I don't think > SR-71 > | > was really an opening band, more part of a double-bill. They are > | > Up-And-Coming rock stars (SR-71 even made Rock Star (tm) faces. It > amused > | > me. Overall, they weren't bad, though.) > | > > | > My all-time favorite TMBG opening band was Lincoln. Now, I suppose > Lincoln > | > is semi-incorporated into TMBG, minus Chris Temple... I really wish they > > | How can you talk about good semi-regular TMBG openers and not mention > | Mike Viola? Blasphemy!! He's my favorite, then YWS, then Lincoln, then > | Muckafurgason. They're all really great. I've never heard Michael > | Shelley or SR-71, so I can't comment on them. I'm just wishing I'd > | actually bought one of Muckafurgason's albums at the concert, I've only > | found 2 songs online... > > I can not mention Mike Viola as an opener because I've never seen him > opening for TMBG (or at all, for that matter.:) Wow, you absolutely must. He's great. Really great. > Although I'll state again that I'm pretty sure SR-71 wasn't opening for > TMBG, but rather it was a double bill. They left before TMBG ever came on > stage (I think they had a show in Cleveland opening for Bon Jovi, that > evening.) Yeah, I've heard the name before so I knew they had to be semi-famous... > Anyhow... I have seen TMBG opening for Violent Femmes.. and my roommate > really dug a band called Swales that opened for TMBG in 96 or so. I only > remember them being so-so. I've been meaning to check out the Femmes for a while now, I'll get to it sometime. -scratch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:31:04 -0600 From: "makebase" Subject: TMBG: Re: TMBG tour listing Message-ID: <9ja4op$m27$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Not to shamelessly plug my own site, but I try to keep an up-to-date tour list on tmbg.cc. I'll tell you how I do it, too. I get my info from various sources that are available to anyone. First of all, sometimes concerts are first mentioned on alt.music.tmbg. I found out a couple dates last summer this way (but I wasn't doing the tour dates then). Then, there are the emails from TMBG themselves announcing when/where they'll be. You can check www.theymightbegiants.com, but their list will NEVER be up to date. However, they DO have links to Pollstar and Ticketmaster, who have most of their planned shows posted online. Notable exceptions will be shows like the documentary show on the 5th. They can't sell tickets, so no listing. None of these, however, is going to give you every possible TMBG booking. I don't think there's one place where you can get it all. Feel free to check my site for tour dates. I'm prepared to follow the Mink Car World Tour as it develops, but then, I'm just a regular guy. As much as I'd like to be, I'm not all-knowing, so I could miss a date here and there. If anyone does know a good source of TMBG tour info that I'm not aware of, I'd really like to know. -- Shaun www.tmbg.cc wrote in message news:d9.1793cdbe.28898a4e@aol.com... > Hey, does anybody know of a site that lists a more or less complete TMBG > tour-ology? > Thanks! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:44:16 EDT From: PosterKid1@aol.com Subject: TMBG: They Might Be Atheists Message-ID: <33.181672e1.2889f220@aol.com> << I just got Linnell added to the Celebrity Atheist list at http://www.celebatheists.com >> How interesting. Seeing as he is such a public person, I'm sure he very much appreciates that. Just wondering -- what on earth do They's personal religious beliefs have to do with anything? I'm willing to be convinced but right now it seems like pointless prying. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:54:53 -0600 From: "makebase" Subject: TMBG: Re: They Might Be Atheists Message-ID: <9ja605$nht$1@ussenterprise.ufp.org> Organization: They Might Be Giants, Unofficially http://www.tmbg.org Well, it's not like any of us are approaching the Johns demanding a dissertation on their religious persuasions. And I don't think that anyone is "outing" Linnell for his beliefs. I guess it's just something semi-interesting to discuss. Like I said in another post, I don't think it really has an impact on their music. You're right, of course. There really is no point to discussing it. But, if you needed a point for everything discussed on the internet, well, the internet would be much smaller. -- Shaun www.tmbg.cc wrote in message news:33.181672e1.2889f220@aol.com... > << I just got Linnell added to the Celebrity Atheist list at > http://www.celebatheists.com >> > > How interesting. Seeing as he is such a public person, I'm sure he very > much appreciates that. > Just wondering -- what on earth do They's personal religious beliefs have > to do with anything? I'm willing to be convinced but right now it seems like > pointless prying. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:40:58 +0000 From: "Dan Brosnan" Subject: Re: TMBG: TMBG tour listing Message-ID: > Hey, does anybody know of a site that lists a more or less complete >TMBG >tour-ology? > Thanks! > www.tmbg.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of tmbg-list Digest #43-21 ******************************